What can we do to counter the coming astroturfed AmericanSpring / soft coup?
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It seems the Deep State war is trying do everything it can to undermine our democracy. With Obama's forthcoming speak out tour and Valerie Jarrett moving in to Obama's home (two miles away from the white house) it seems he is planning on setting himself up as the resistance leader. This feels a lot like sedition. With rumors of millions of paid protestors planning to hit DC in May, and ANTIFA already beating Trump supports at Trump rallies, it seems like the left is trying to start CivilWar 2.0 or at least an astroturfed AmericanSpringTM. The media runs any anti Trump story it can possibly get away with. We have senators like McCain and Gram that seem to not only act like Democrats but are borderline treasonous. The election taught us that most republican leaders don't have the guts to do what's right when times get tough.
What can we do to counter this? The left is burning free speech signs and American flags without being condemned at all by the media or other liberals with high visibility. The left seems to be planning a violent take over / psyops mission and the right seems to be doing nothing. What can we do? What should we be doing now?
Posted Mar 7, 2017, 12:53 PM UTC
I just wanted to talk about this point. Let's use the Berkeley riots as an example.
Here is CNN's article. It talks all about the violence against Trump supporters, it has quotes from both the university and students condemning the violence.
Here's a piece from the New York Times condemning the violence.
Here's a choice quote from the NYT article:
Even the Huffington Post article whilst not exactly kind to Milo has multiple quotes from the university and students condemning the violence.
That's just left-leaning news organisations. Other media sites ripped into the protesters. Whilst I agree that some prominent liberals are too dismissive of violent behaviour simply because it is against 'the other side', I do not think it is fair to label all liberals with this. I think you're making statement that is so broad it stops being true or legitimate.
I know that if you put a Trump sticker on a car, that car is likely to be damaged. A lot of people wont wear Trump apparel or fly Trump flags because the violence against Trump supporters is so pervasive. There does not seem to be widespread condemning of this violence. I feel Trump supporters have all been branded fascist and dehumanised to the point where if the left were to be nudged enough they would have no problems attempting to start a violent uprising. There is a constant drum to mobilize against Trump in defense of gay rights, womens rights, etc when he has not marginalized those rights at all. These people seem brainwashed to the point they would gladly put Trump supporters against the wall given half the chance.
As someone who has been all for the freedom and celebration of expression for the greater part of my life, it has been disgusting seeing this spread of Trump supporter shaming.
I figuratively have to hold my nose when participating in the activities that I used to because there is an expectation that everyone hates Trump and if you don't, then there is something fundamentally wrong with you.
I just want to provide perspective from the other side of the coin:
I'm from a DEEPLY red Midwestern state and a member of the armed services. This entire campaign season I wouldn't have been taken seriously at all (wouldn't go so far as shamed) if I had expressed support for Hillary.
I didn't vote for trump or hillary, but the tone of many deep voters around where I am was very contentious towards hillary supporters.
It's not just trump supporters that had to duck and cover. Just wanted to point that out
I think the big issue here is the age-old problem of the most extreme groups shouting the loudest. People's perceptions of what other groups think is marred by these extremists.
I'll use Berkeley again. Thousands protest, a hundred or so are violent. Then suddenly every protester is a violent thug. Then on the other hand you have a few Trump supporters making Nazi salutes and suddenly every Trump supporter is a Nazi. You feel Trump supporters have been branded fascist and dehumanised to the point where a violent uprising against them is possible, meanwhile I am told that because I am left-leaning (I don't like using the word liberal) I hate Western civilisation and want to see it destroyed. I apparently want all European women to be raped and enslaved by Muslims. I see liberalism, globalism and socialism being labelled as dangerous and cancerous. Both sides are guilty of this.
Your question was basically how do we stop 'the left' being so aggressive? The answer is fairly simple. Both sides agree to drop the divisive bullshit. Both sides agree to listen to what the other side is saying, and then you won't see the kind of conflict we're currently seeing.
Its a pipe dream because there are so many on both the left and the right that are too set in their ways to do this, but thats the answer.
I'm a Berniecrat, and I agree that Trump supporters are being dehumanized by left-wing rhetoric, and I've been disgusted by the hate I've seen on r/politics. It's hard to go there now.
But, I would encourage you (and all of us) to step back and see that there are media messages being disseminated by the right and the left which are polarizing and making us all hysterical.
The media on the right and the left isn't really "ours" anymore. It's driven by marketing, talking points, and donors whose goals are unknown to us.
The result is that we are becoming more and more divided, and so we should each of us stop and step back. Don't make assumptions about me as a liberal and I won't make any about you as a Trump supporter. Let's block out the crap and stay focused on the issues.
I had to go checkout politics because of what you siad. Good lord the hatred over there is real.
Your absolutely right. People need to stop making assumptions and actually have conversations without calling each other names.
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Most Trump supporters said this when the outlets you referenced kept calling all Trump supporters racist because Trump didn't disavow stupid KKK members that supported him and where silent when 2 KKK leaders said support Hillary as it will further their goals.
The media bias is strong right now. They have worn out the term racist. So they started switching to nationalist, Hilter, the Russians etc.