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Remount_Kings_Troop_

What removing my SPGs would cost WarGaming: 101.5M credits, 4.7M Free Exp, and 25k Gold

After the 'WoT: WG Devs Considering the Removal of the Artillery Class' Armored Patrol post, I decided to figure out exactly what it would cost WG to compensate me, in the event that they actually DO remove all the SPGs from the game.

Methodology

Experience - Some components are reused as you move through a tech tree branch, therefore I only used the first instance of each component towards the calculation of 'Experience Spent' column.

For example, the 'Q.F. 6-in. Gun Mk. V' is the top gun for the British Tier 8 FV207, and you spend 20,800 experience to unlock it. That same gun is the mid-level gun on the British Tier 9 FV3805, and thus you don't spend another 20,800 experience to unlock it--it's already unlocked.

Also, I was able to calculate the amount of Experience NOT spent due to already unlocked components. That number is shown in the 'Exp Saved' column.

Silver - Tank/Component - I used the component cost of the Elited version of each tank, thus ignoring the cost of earlier components, and which have all been sold (I sell them as soon as I mount the next component).

I also keep all my tanks, so even though a similar radio may be used on multiple tanks, I therefore have one of the same radio for EACH of those tanks.

Note: Seven tanks were purchased at a discount during the On-Track promotions. WG maintains the discounted price you paid for the tank, and would presumably only reimburse me the price I actually paid [to see the price information, hover over the tank itself in the Tech Tree, and it will display the 'MSRP' and the discounted price (if any) you received]. The numbers in the 'Elite Price' column below include the MSRP of each tank, and then any discounts are subtracted at the bottom of the 'Total' column.

Silver - Equipment cost - In the event of removal, WG will have to decide between reimbursing SPG drivers for their mounted equipment, or moving that equipment into the Armory. However, some equipment is exclusive to SPGs (Large/Medium Artillery Shell Rammers) and would have to be reimbursed.

I'm going to assume that WG would prefer to move the non-SPG specific equipment to the Armory vs reimbursal.

I have therefore only listed the SPG-specific equipment cost in the 'SPG Equip' column below.

In the event that WG decided to simply reimburse me for all my mounted NON-arty specific equipment, they would owe me an additional 48,250,000 credits (NOT a typo. I equip almost ALL my tanks with Binos, GLD, and Gun Rammer, except where vents are available).

Crews

My assumption is that in the event of SPG removal, Wargaming would simply reset the Nation, Trained Tank and Class of each SPG crew member (similar to how mission reward female crew members initially have no trained Tank/Class/Nation), but leave the crew member at whatever percent/skill/perk level they were at (at that point in time). Resetting of the crew member Qualification (Gunner, Commander, etc.) is less certain in my opinion.

Garage Slots

I don't know if Wargaming records the price paid for Garage slots, but since you can't sell them (like you can with tanks), I'm going to guess that they don't. Wargaming would likely leave me with empty garage slots versus removing them from my account. Thus I don't think they'd owe me any gold for Garage Slots.

Barracks

Because I keep all my tanks, I typically leave all crews in those tanks, so I have not purchased many barracks slots. If WG were to remove the tanks, I think they'd be forced to give me additional barracks slots, otherwise I'd have no place to keep those reset crew members.

Permanent Camouflage

I have purchased permanent, three-season camo on every SPG I own. WG is unlikely to want to 'bank' camo, so they will likely give me back the purchase price that I paid. That gold amount is shown in the table below, in the 'Camo/Purch Cost' column.

Permanent Emblems

I have purchased one permanent emblem for my FV304 tank ("BERT"), and expect that WG would reimburse me the purchase price of 90 gold (and that amount is included in the British row, 'Camo/Purch Cost' column).

Premium Tanks

I purchased both the Sexton I and the leFH18B2 tanks. I'd expect Wargaming to reimburse me the gold I spent on the Sexton and its permanent camouflage, and the gold equivalent of the money I spent on the leFH18B2 and it's permanent camouflage. That gold amount is shown in the table below, in the 'Camo/Purch Cost' column.

And finally, the numbers:

Nation# TanksElite PriceSPG EquipTotalCrewmembersExp SpentExp SavedCamo/Purch Cost
American1116,275,2603,900,00020,175,26057968,19067,5504,575
German1116,887,9103,900,00020,787,91056911,025110,2554,575
Russian1018,571,4604,000,00022,571,460511,051,035256,5554,575
British916,551,3503,400,00019,951,35046920,335116,6304,140
--Sexton I1300,000300,00061,475
French916,553,8203,400,00019,953,82041918,67557,8104,050
--leFH18B21300,000300,00041,875
Less Discounts2,499,600
Totals5284,839,80019,200,000101,540,2002614,769,260608,80025,265
  • Note: The Russian Exp Spent is 121k higher than the average of the other nations due to an extra Tier 7 tank.
  • Note: I have not yet purchased the Tier 9 or Tier 10 Russian SPGs, but will certainly have done so before the end of April 2017.

I've posted a PDF file and CSV file where I list the EXP and Elite Silver cost for all 52 SPGs.

Posted Mar 31, 2017, 3:13 AM UTC

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flare_phoenix[VILIN] literally a twitch emote•

The look on your face when you have to play actual tanks would be worth it by itself.

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flare_phoenix[VILIN] literally a twitch emote•

It's remount, he has 99.9% of his games in arty.

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Remount_Kings_Troop_OPI didn't choose the arty life--the arty life chose me•

LIES

99 point ONE

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Askin_Real_QuestionsI suck at this game but my memes are dank•

Be Me

Be Queuing in E75

Get steppes

Full HP

Get tracks & fuel tank hit by 155 58

Get set on fire by 155 58 2nd shell

Burn extinguisher

Get set on fire a 2nd time by 155 58 3rd shell

Burn down to 200HP

Get killed by 4th shell from 155 58

Spend rest of game thinking of clever mean things I plan to say to the player after the match.

Realize it's Remount.

Realize I got memed.

leave it.

true story

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Farmerman1379YOU ESS AYY•

Holy o fuck I knew you main'd SPGs but shit that's a lot.

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flare_phoenix[VILIN] literally a twitch emote•

I stand corrected.

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justjax[RELIC]QuantumGravy•

A price that should be payed by wargaming for their years of allowing this idiocy.

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groundpounder11[S4LT]•

Those are pretty insane numbers, especially when however you decided to average them out across everyone who would need to be refunded, they'd result in something quite mind boggling as a total. Probably enough that I have no doubt WG would see a significant short (medium?) term dip in their profit margin.

But overall do you personally feel that even these numbers would be sufficient recompense? Would the waste of time and effort and whatever else come into it? They are huge numbers on a personal level but I can't help but think that even though I don't play arty (I probably have about 200 games total) I wouldn't really feel happy with it being taken away and replaced with numbers if I had played it more or ground out more of them. I'd forever feel like I'd been robbed somehow or lost something.

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Lossmysox[BULBA] Veiny_Hard_Socks•

I'd forever feel like I'd been robbed somehow or lost something.

You mean like countless games that arty players have ruined for people?

Who cares? Fuck them.

Edit: I love the butthurt cancer apologists that are downvoting me. Seems I struck a nerve. Glad to see it.

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Remount_Kings_Troop_OPI didn't choose the arty life--the arty life chose me•

We love you too, Socksy.

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Tkgamer99•

insert thank you gif here seriously wg should remove those pieces of trash. Its not possible to balance a tank that can click you from the base for 2k in your t10 super heavy tank (at the current state). Oh and don't come with the point that it doesn't happen that often: the worse you are, the more it's likely to happen that you oneshot a tank.And the better you are, the more it's likely that the enemy arty who uses xvm will try to hit you the whole game. And they lose games because of that, but arty players don't care.

Source: superunicum in eu top 10 clan.

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bistrus•

This is the reason WG will never remove arty, but they only said that to calm people....

They would just go on with "the stun mechanics needs rebalance etc" for 2 - 3 years until they can think of something

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Lossmysox[BULBA] Veiny_Hard_Socks•

My best experience in wot so far was TKing you.

It could only be topped by seeing you and other cancer players fumble around and fuck up anything that requires a keyboard to play.

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Remount_Kings_Troop_OPI didn't choose the arty life--the arty life chose me•

My best experience in wot so far was TKing you

Yes, I remember that day like it was yesterday.

OK, it was two weeks ago.

I was SO upset.

I rushed over and grabbed a calculator to figure out the devastating effect that that one zero-damage game was going to have on my WN8.

[(1 game at 0 damage) + (22,160 games with 28,609,642 damage) ] / 22,161 games

...carry the one....

and my new WN8 and WR is....

The weird thing is, I figured it out several times, but each time, my WN8 and WR were completely unchanged (but maybe it is because my calculator only goes out to eight decimal places).

Since that dark day, I've played 393 more arty games.

Each arty game makes the pain of that one loss a little more manageable.

And hey, I'm glad this game still puts a smile on your face.

What makes me smile is the fact that regardless of how many times you ineffectually TK me or other arty players, or make 'FUCK ARTY' comments here on Reddit, there isn't squat you can do to stop me from playing arty.

See you on the battlefield :)

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Gl4ssfish•

Trouble with this is it feels like a troll class where the main point is to grief other players. It isn't something I'd brag about. Particularly if you haven't played a lot of high tier games in heavies and seen how 6 arty games are impossible to enjoy. People hate arty for a reason.

I got to bert myself back in the day and got so much abuse ( I platooned and permatracked people to death). I thought people were whiners and laughed at them. It was part of the game and I am entitled to do what I want right? Now I play only T10 I've totally changed my mind. It really is a mechanic that ruins the game for just about everyone else. And the more arty there is in a game the more it poisons the game.

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Gl4ssfish•

Also my fix for arty would be to give them the same hitpoints and armour as the tanks they are based on, with the catch that they are permanently spotted for the duration of the match. Let the arty wars begin! Potentially only spotted when they fire, but you get the idea. If you think this sounds like a horrible idea, this is basically what heavies play through in open maps and why map design is moving to a corridor style which personally I think sucks.

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viktorpodlipsky•

Tl, dr.: Arty player and noob.

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Lossmysox[BULBA] Veiny_Hard_Socks•

THERE ISN'T SQUAT YOU CAN DO TO STOP ME FROM PLAYING ARTY.

Too bad WG is finally agreeing that arty is broken.

Your days of one-shotting people in your cancer, no-skill class are coming to end.

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Remount_Kings_Troop_OPI didn't choose the arty life--the arty life chose me•

Perhaps, but it is still fun to play.

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Lossmysox[BULBA] Veiny_Hard_Socks•

And it's just as fun to TK.

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Gl4ssfish•

This is.sort of my problem. I kind of get players who want to play all classes and so include some arty. But only playing arty you have no idea how much you are ruining it for others. Particularly if you are good. Everyone else here seems to be shouting loud and clear that it is spoiling it and as you have not played both sides you can't really argue. The investment players like you have made is the main obstacle for the rest of us getting this game ruining mechanic removed.

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Thunderbolt747[PRAV]•

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Breath HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! God, you were so naive back then, huh? Oh wait, still are.

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Lossmysox[MAHOU] Socks_Roast_Master•

Uhhh... 3 weeks ago? And what the fuck are you referring to? I'm not the one that is delusional about my clan's status.

And you scrolled through 5 pages of my comments to find this? I don't know if I'm flattered or creeped out.

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HikaruEyre•

Most likely in the TOS somewhere is small print that you get nothing.

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Remount_Kings_Troop_OPI didn't choose the arty life--the arty life chose me•

You are most certainly correct from a legal point of view.

However, in terms of a customer service perspective, Wargaming would be foolish to remove SPGs from players accounts without some sort of compensation.

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HikaruEyre•

Agreed. Just when it comes down to it they can do what ever they want with the game to squeeze out every last penny and life the game has before killing it to move on to something else.

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batkhow•

Did you consider discounts? I mean every single vehicle, camo, garage slot, barracks, and equipment has had a discount. So it would reduce that cost quite a bit. Also if you do keep the crew then they cannot owe you that huge amount of credits, free exp, and gold if you keep that fully trained crew for any other tank.

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ABetterKamahl1234•

Didn't WG prove with the T26E4 refunds that they refund full price regardless?

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Remount_Kings_Troop_OPI didn't choose the arty life--the arty life chose me•
  • I considered and calculated the vehicle discounts that I received.
  • I received no discounts on camo.
  • Garage slots were not an issue, as mentioned.
  • I can find no indication that Wargaming maintains the discount purchase price for equipment. If you know of any proof, let me know. I purchased equipment in the last sale, and Wargaming shows the sale price at half the original price.
  • I don't agree with you that if I keep the fully trained crew that I shouldn't be entitled for the gold/credits for the tank/equipment.
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Phtevenpants•

Why not just limit arty to certain game modes? Let Arty queue up for assault mode only, no one likes that shit anyway.

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Rhoobarb2002•

I like Assault, stick them on Encounter.

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firion0[SCDRL]•

You have every arty in game? Im speechless...

Every arty crew has at least one perk?

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JustinPalmer•

He plays 99% just Arty, in case that helps you understand.

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Remount_Kings_Troop_OPI didn't choose the arty life--the arty life chose me•

No, I haven't yet purchased the SU-14-11, 212A, or the Obj 261. I'll have all by the end of April.

52% of my tanks have 1 skill/perk or better.

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TheRealJellytoad[-R-O-]Jellytoad•

Do you prioritize BiA or Sixth Sense first?

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Remount_Kings_Troop_OPI didn't choose the arty life--the arty life chose me•

BIA. It helps you every game [once active], while SS only helps in the rare game (for arty) when you are spotted.

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Tkgamer99•

Lol, you disgust me. How do you enjoy playing it? Some games you can click an fv215b for 1.2k every 24 seconds in your 261 and in the next game you don't hit shit, how is that fair? Also do you use xvm to win the game because you focus unicums? I'm gonna guess out of the blue that your winrate is about server average, so 49-50%?

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Gl4ssfish•

That is an absolute ton of misery that has been dumped on others!

I absolutely despise arty but I must admit they can't just delete it without compensating arty players. It's a shame as this means it is less likely to be completely removed, which in my opinion would be the optimum solution. Stunning sounds like an awful mechanic.

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Remount_Kings_Troop_OPI didn't choose the arty life--the arty life chose me•

Abandon ye console and join the PC Master Race.

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anjo2•

If it is about the "stun mechanics" they will not be received negatively, but better dispersion, better aim time, better reload and huge increase on burst radius will not be well received, you can be behind a rock and be stunned, you can't hide from artis, there is no counter play if they can damage you wherever you are... This changes are probably be received negatively... Enough to remove the SPG's? Don't think so, it's too much work and less revenue to WG.

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Remount_Kings_Troop_OPI didn't choose the arty life--the arty life chose me•

Only time will tell.

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avalon304[IOC] Centurion Mk. 7/1 'Thunderbolt'•

If it is about the "stun mechanics" they will not be received negatively,

The stun is already being negatively received on the test server...

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Machariel_•

It's not necessarily less revenue, in fact they wouldn't do it if it were. They would only do it if they thought removing arty would bring players back to game (more than they lost by removing arty). If arty were totally removed, I may even re-install, 30k games but haven't played in a meaningful way for over 2 years.

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soulcatcher357[MAWG][ARS3] I have a Type 59 now•

You assume you are a special snowflake who will be given anything for free.

First you will be given a single arty with 90 degree elevation ('of' lost in translation) with a siege mode of 10 50 seconds. Note the elevation is stuck at 90 degrees and you cannot move for the next second. Your second tank will include an awesome gun with the greatest stats, unfortunately it is hyper velocity and will exit the map, wrap around the earth and hit you. Your third arty will be ultra fast with a great for shot-gunning auto-loading gun. Unfortunately your turn rat is 1 and you crash if you move forward above 5 KPH. For your forth tank you will have the BC with a 20 round clip. Unfortunately all rounds will be ghost shells. Your 6th tank will be the LeFKD a 3 second 9 round clip gun with a range of 1m and view range of 500-1000m splash radius of 40m, reload of 0 seconds, fires like an autocannon; and you get the feature of accidently shooting your load at 14:54 like a lot of players.

Welcome to hell.

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Dylan4570•

I hope they delete it with little to no compensation and I would be really upset if those players didn't return.

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Masauwu•

They could also give them hitpoints and convert them to derp TDs, with no arty mode aim. Even if you still fear their guns, at least you can fight back and not just get your turret roof penned by an invisible enemy from across the map.

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riffler24M48 Fatton is my spirit animal•

Pretty hard to do that without making weird adjustments to their models, because many SPGs have literally 0 gun depression, which basically makes them useless

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Farmerman1379YOU ESS AYY•

Exactly ;)

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FlashNomand•

Where did they mention giving arty players anything back?

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Boogafin[RDDT3] Jack_Jak•

It's implied, because they would lose a good chunk of the player base if they didn't. As that would be the biggest dick move in WG history.

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Tkgamer99•

I totally WOULDN'T mind those arty players to be gone forever. Maybe not tho because they can't play normal tanks (take OP as an example) and would be easy tanks to farm because they don't know how to use their wasd keys and an actual reticle.

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Remount_Kings_Troop_OPI only have 51 SPGs for the missions•

I LOVE it when the anti-arty cry babies underestimate me.

BTW, still waiting for you to post your stats.

Or are you hiding something?

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Tkgamer99•

http://www.noobmeter.com/player/eu/Arbeitsscheu/502220419/

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avalon304[IOC] Centurion Mk. 7/1 'Thunderbolt'•

You would never get all of it back. It would be partial refunds of everything but any gold camos and premium arty.

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HotWot_NA•

I'm glad our small NA server does not get as much input due to population as the RU server. All the NA wants is free stuff. Yes that's what I've read. All you guys have posted saying free xp remove arty before it even went live on the test server. So I'm glad wargaming opinion is not based just off a NA vote -_- because it seems to me there's a group of you that thought if you said you didn't like it that it would be removed. So I hope the testers in the RU server take it far more seriously than just wanting free xp over the few arty you did grind Because there's some of us that live the arty class and love the game even more apparently. Because you all worried about players that left this game because of arty. Hahaha they left before most of us started even playing they left before the last arty nerf. Do you honestly think these players will come back and put money into this game. I don't think so.... I can name a few myself that left but I can also tell you they never spent any money themselves on this game. By logic you should want people who play the game who financially support this game so this game would always get better. Not bring people back who say I quit

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Graham2405•

No compensation!!!

Easy answer to Arty, 1 per team, make the buggers Q for ages......

Sorted.

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Borsao66•

If you're looking for sympathy, it's in the dictionary between shit and syphilis.

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cymrean•

To be honest artillery players should compensate WG for driving many potential paying customers away from the game not the other way around. Maybe 1 gold per arty game played?

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Tkgamer99•

Yup, it's the arty (mostly) that makes me rage quit this game.

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