AST: 78% of members want Wenger to leave
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news.arseblog.comPosted Mar 31, 2017, 10:24 AM UTC
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news.arseblog.comMassive swing. From 88% Wenger In to 77% Wenger out in under 2 years.
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Yeah, the polls were respectively from after winning the FA Cup twice and after losing 4 out of 5.
Both of the polls were held in pretty extreme moments of joy and disappointment.
No one should take this swing (among self-sampling AST members) as seriously representative of the average Arsenal fan's mood.
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I agree but I still think that Wenger Out is the majority now, regardless of if we get top 4 this season.
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I disagree. Protests are always small. At the Emirates it's a vocal minority. Pro Wenger shit posts still get up-voted.
Hard to tell in this echo chamber but I reckon we're still Wenger in.
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No way. How often do you go to the Emirates? I hardly EVER hear anyone hyping wenger anymore, all anyone talks about is whether he should quit literally right now or whether at the end of the season. I haven't heard anyone defending him to stay for another 2 years for yonks.
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This. While a believe that a lot more people are truly wenger out than than they were 2 years ago, we cannot overlook the fact that our form is terrible right now. Our fan base is an especially fickle one and opinions keep on changing. Also I think this sub does not represent the fanbase. A lot of the Wenger In guys dont even come online, because they will be downvoted to hell.
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Tbf, every fanbase is 'fickle'.
And people in general do prefer to stick to the status quo, so I think naturally most people are #WengerWhateverWorksForArsenalButAtTheMomentInIGuessWe'llSee.
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Out of curiosity, does everyone vote or is it just those who choose to vote?
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AST members vote, season ticket holders vote, share holders vote. No one is required, but the AST has a very good track record and history. Tim Stillman is a member, also there was an option of don't know, I am pretty confident they can get out the vote.
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AST members get to vote
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Right, but I think what is being asked is if you are an AST member are you REQUIRED to vote or do you only vote if you choose to? As in, can members abstain from voting?
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I mean they're not holding a gun to your head, I imagine like its most polls, just those who choose to vote
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So, we'll need to know the percentage of AST voters who voted. Otherwise, it's quite possible most of the people who took the effort to vote are those who are Wenger out, (people tend to care more when angry, wanting change) skewing the 78%
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For people saying that only people who already wanted him out went on to vote:
"#AST results: In the comments section, there was ALOT of respect & even tributes paid to AW. #TheArsenal #AFC"
"#AST results - read most the comments & respect for AW is there. Some seem to even feel guilty to vote against a new contract. #AFC"
https://twitter.com/10akhil/status/847752355906936833 https://twitter.com/10akhil/status/847755616227557377
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"Less than 3% of fans actually suggested that Arsene Wenger should be fired. The rest talked mainly about stepping aside, retirement, or a succession plan. However, there was a clear overall opinion that Wenger’s time was at an end. " yep from the survey results
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i could have told you that without a poll tbh. more then a decade without a permier league 2 fa cups and millions spent and facing non champions league football for the first time in decades, contracts stalling and alexis wanting to go to chelsea no shit they want him out.
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I mean, let's be honest. Some of these polls (not necessarily this one specifically).....the only people who care enough to go out of their way to vote are the ones who want him out. We have a massive stadium that are full of Wenger supporters chanting his name. I'm not saying a lot of people want him gone. They do, but if we put in as much time to express our wanting Wenger to stay than the people who want him to go, I think a lot of people would be surprised how many AKB's are out there, but anytime you bring up your support for Wenger, you'd get shot down immediately
78% is still pretty damn high tbh
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No one is required to vote, and it's not just AST members who participate in the survey, all season ticket holders, and all shareholders.
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The worst thing about democracy is
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The fans are bored. 4/5ths of the board is allegedly bored too. Sorry Arsene, we're all yawning now, it's a time to go my dear sir😏
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Wow. 78% of a 1000ppl. With that many haters he should really listen 😳
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100% of those who voted have never managed a pl team nor are they qualified to make a judgement on wenger. This stat only shows dissapointment in a dissapointing season so far. COYG were better than this!
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78% of the fanbase... but Wenger said it was only 100 supporters that wanted him to leave?
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Sad our fan base is so fickle 😔
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Meh, doubt it. I am 100 percent half the people who support arsenal probably didn't know about this survey, tbh neither did i
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It's still amazing to me that while the players want him to stay and the mangers of other teams can't believe he's believe he's being treated the way he is by the supporters, there are supporters who want him to leave.
Wenger might not know best, but I trust his judgement over anyone who would join the AST.
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It's still amazing to me that while the players want him to stay and the mangers of other teams can't believe he's believe he's being treated the way he is by the supporters,
Do you expect them to ever say otherwise?
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If they aren't happy I'd expect them to stay silent. Coming out with statements supporting the manager seems to me like they actually do support him.
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The players are not coming out with statements lol, they're asked for their take by journalists and they give an answer, which is almost never going to be against the manager.
Hell, Leicester players spoke only positive of Ranieri but did the opposite behind the scenes before he was dismissed.
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Quick Google search showed me Leicester or United players didn't come out in support of Ranieri and Moyes respectively, while Remy and Matic did of Mourinho.
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well those 78% can just go fuck themselves
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Why are you so determined to have another few years of this same shit?
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Why are you so convinced that it'll be different when we bring in someone new?
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Atleast it won't be the same, maybe we get a manager who doesn't set up the exact same way for every game ?
How can people even say things like this when Chelsea have bought in Conté and won the league in a season.
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Atleast it won't be the same
I don't mean to offend you but this is by far the dumbest thing I've heard in a while. Change for the heck of change isn't necessarily a good thing.
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inb4 the Wonga shills spin this as a result of the current form the team is in rather than a true desire for Wenger to leave
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Its clearly based on current form...it's literally in the article... same goes for the survey in 2015 that was done after the FA cup final win, neither means anything because they're both after time periods of good and bad, so if we win the fa cup this year and 84% want him to stay again, what will you moan about then?
"It’s worth bearing in mind at this point that the latest survey was conducted between 20 and 26 March 2017 (off the back of four defeats in five games), while the 2015 survey was conducted after our FA Cup final triumph over Aston Villa."
Edit: 84 not 4
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I'd still want him to go if we won the FA cup, since the last time we've won my confidence in him as a manager had gone down significantly, I used to think he has some sort of grand plan for when the emirates debt was paid off
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lol, still peddling the shit I see.
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We were the worst performing English club in the HISTORY of the Champions League this year! 10-2. FUCKING 10-2!!! WHO COULD SPIN THAT?
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Yeah we were fucked by bayern, but worst performing team does not equal worst result in the knockout stage.
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Good thing that Gazidis announced that he will let the fans decide Wenger's fate. /s
good thing that it generates headlines and makes them look like shit
How does one make the club which can't bring itself to let go of an employee look any more shit?
It's just an ugly way to end it, and it's a shame. It doesn't make anyone look good but that's besides the point.
We need this.
The board are big fans of Wenger lining up their pockets on a shoestring budget.
Shoestring budget doesn't even fit anymore, given how much we spent last summer (although we did only sign Cech the previous summer), I think it's just the board at the end of the day doesn't give a shit about how competitive we are. As long as we can make it into the Champions League they are fine. Now that that looks less likely, we'll see how things end up.
Wenger, I think, said they're not relying on Champions League football anymore
When did he say that? Was it recently, as it looks like we're not getting in, or was it a more general statement of we don't rely on CL income anymore?
Just because the dollar value has increased doesn't mean it is not on a shoestring budget.
You have to consider how much more revenue the club itself is bringing in especially from both the puma deal and the tv revenue.
I have also explained that the reason for the small amount for cech' window is because the board was trying to recover their self imposed allocated budget from Ozil's transfer. Ozil's transfer was the only time the Arsenal board loosen their purse strings but at the cost of their budget for cech's year.
Is £200m a year in wages a shoestring budget? Leicester won the league last season on a quarter of that and Dortmund reached a CL final on a quarter of that and Spurs had roughly half of that in wages last season. How would Arsène perform on half or a quarter of his budget if he has a shoestring budget now?
Everyone talks about the outliers like Leicester. Look at Blackburn now. Look at Pep with City and how he's struggling in the league compared to Bayern or even Klopp with Liverpool. I personally do not want to go there or other leagues but focus on Arsenal itself. That's basically whataboutism and I am not going to talk about other teams.
I am focusing on just Arsenal and their own imposed shoestring budget compared to what they can actually use.
It's not about wages but the transfer funds.
There's a reason why Arsene Wenger "almost" signs everybody and a big reason is the restriction of funds allowed for transfers.
Have you wondered why Arsene Wenger who have heavily spent on players like Henry, Wiltord, Reyes, and co suddenly have to pinch pennies on Denilson,etc.?
Arsene Wenger really likes to spend as you can tell from the last three years but the real issue is that he want to actually spend more but he can't. So ask yourself why is that so.
That's the important question. If people think that Arsene Wenger has control over the purse strings, I will tell you that everything about the dealings doesn't make sense. I can reasonably expect him to reveal how he's been hampered by the board many many times if he's going to reveal all in an autobiography.
The big change in spending habits for Wenger is the impact of Kroneke and the departure of Dein.
You don't have to look at outliers, you can just look at Spurs who have surpassed Arsenal now on a much smaller budget. Pocchetino wasn't even allowed by his board to give Mané £110k a week so he couldn't sign him and he had to settle for Sissoko while Wenger gives salaries like that to mediocre players like Walcott. Arsenal does not have a shoestring budget no matter how you measure it.
The reason Arsene Wenger "almost" signs players is because he's jaded, hesitant and more uncertain with age and he has a more and more failing track record when he actually spends money. No, he does not like to spend, he genuinely hates it, he is against the big money in modern football whether it's transfer fees, salaries or agent fees and that's why it's difficult for him to find a deal... the only thing he does not complain about is his own salary that's approaching £10m a year as one of the highest earning managers in the world.
There's absolutely no evidence that Wenger does not have control over the purse strings. That is what everyone is saying including the board, the owner and Gazidis. He has not been hampered by the board, they have absolutely not forced him to NOT sign a single outfield player like last transfer summer. That is all about Arsene Wenger and his own dithering. He does not want to shop if it's not a discounted price and he's growing old and out of touch with the market like any senior citizen at the supermarket.
How is he lining their pockets exactly? He's the 4th highest paid manager in the world. He causes huge division in the fan base an unrest. Obviously they are very, very convinced he is the capable man for the job or else they would just cave in and get a different manager.
Like this
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/arsenal-defend-huge-salary-1million-9115306
4th highest paid manager in the world means nothing when it will cost considerably more to replace him. A new manager will require more investments like 100+ million on top of the existing transfer budget.
That's how many years of salary to Wenger? 12.5 years........
This is basically their choices:
New Manager Salary: 8+ million
Possibly new Director of football or some new money grabbing position or Agent Fees: 2+ million
New coaching team/staff & severance to outgoing staff: 5+ million
New players required: 100+ million
Current transfer Budget: 100+ million
Or
Wenger: 8+ million
Current Transfer budget: 100+ million
It's not hard to see where the negotiations will be going and why the board are so keen on Wenger staying a while longer.
Why will a new manager require an additional 100M to spend...? If you want Wenger out, then you mus think hes not doing a good job. And that another manager could come in and do better than him. But now you're saying a new manager can only do better than Wenger IF hes given an additional 100M to spend his first summer on top of the usual 50-70M arsenal spends anyway? Im sorry something does not add up here. Unless you're saying Wenger is doing the job that it takes another manager 100M extra to do....
And does the former guarantee better results than the latter?
edit: I take the downvotes as yes. Sweet.