[Program Review] Candito 6 Week Strength Program

TL;DR: 0+ Squat, 2.5kg+ Bench, 5kg+ calculated Deadlift. Disliked the shortness and change on focus week-to-week. Available here or I used this app

My stats: Male, 29, 172cm, 74kg / 163lbs

History: After training powerlifting style since Jan 2016 I attended my first meet in October 2016. Meet report is here. I hit 145kg squat, 100kg bench and 165kg deadlift. In the interim I hit 152.kg squat, 105kg bench and failed to even hit 160kg deadlift in the gym.

Goals: My deadlift is abysmal and I’m struggling to find a way to improve it. I’d heard good things about Candito from someone at my gym. It didn’t really work that way for me!

Diet: Slight surplus, 2,800kcal with ~180g protein and splurging the rest between Carbs and Fats. Supplements: Coffee, occasionally my proprietary preworkout blend, Vit D, 5g Creatine Monohydrate, Zinc and Magnesium.

Training Review: I had high hopes which unfortunately weren’t realised on this program. I’ll admit that I had one week where I could only train once so I repeated the fourth week. I don’t think this should have had a massive effect on things, but maybe it does.

I really enjoyed areas that Candito pushed me – e.g. the second week had me squatting 122.5kg for 10 reps, which I would never have tried. Doing Squats and Deadlifts on the same day was tough – I should mention that I used conventional deadlifts all the time as I am rubbish at sumo and have had poor results with deficits and paused deadlifts in the past.

Candito is odd in that each week has a different focus:

Week 1: Muscular Conditioning,

Week 2: Muscular Conditioning/Hypertrophy,

Week 3: Linear Max OT Phase,

Week 4: Heavy Weight Acclimation and

Week 5: High Intensity Strength.

My (unexpert) opinion is that there’s not enough time for proper adaptation to any of these. E.g. you don’t get much hypertrophy or conditioning as a result of Week 2, and you’re on to something else too soon!

I struggled with recovery for my lower back which was hammered by the pairing of heavy squats and heavy deadlifts on the same day. I did appreciate the lack of accessories on those days, but overall missed doing volume work.

Training Results: On the fifth week there is high intensity low volume, and I managed to squat 147.5kg for 2 reps, bench 102.5kg for 2 reps (then go on the same day to hit a PR of 1 rep of 107.5kg) and 160kg for 3 gnarly reps. I then attempted 170kg as I had hoped to hit a PR but failed this twice. Video is here.

What would I improve if I ran it again: Well I’d not miss most of the workouts for week 4 (even though I repeated week 4), and also have children who sleep at night instead of waking up a lot – this obviously impacted my recovery quite a bit. I struggle to know how much accessory work to add in – I missed doing it, but I think adding too much in will affect the quality of the heavier work.

Where next: Considering I wanted to improve my deadlift I wouldn’t call this program a rousing success (which may partially be imperfect conditions including the 4th week). I plan to implement Mag/Ort for deadlifts (but unsure whether to use a 165kg or 170kg max) next, either starting next week or trying to get that 170kg next week and starting Mag/Ort the week after. I’ll likely stick to GZCL style training for bench and squat which I’ve used in the past to some success.

Any suggestions are very welcome!

Posted Apr 7, 2017, 2:00 PM UTC

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Julius_Maximus•

This is a peaking program though. I think ideally you want to do a hypertrophy block beforehand?

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TomTPTOPM | 410kg | 71.6kg | 302 wilks | IPF | RAW•

Yup, but that's kind of my point - why does one week focus on hypertrophy then? Just my take - I didn't feel like I peaked as well on this as I have, for example, on GZCL 5 Week UHF.

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Julius_Maximus•

I agree, but I think for someone who has just gotten off a linear progression program this would still be helpful though.

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animalizedaim•

Touch and go reps dont build as much strenght as dead stop. Just my take on it

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addedline8•

Idk, I think tng has its place, especially for getting that time under tension and overload you don't get if you drop the eccentric like almost everyone who pulls dead stop does. Definitely no substitute for dead stop for building strength off the floor though.

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animalizedaim•

Yes, I do agree with you. It has its place but I think he always does it while doing more then 1 rep.

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DisruptiveStrength•

Idk why you're getting downvoted. Deadstop has way more transfer to powerlifting.

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TomTPTOPM | 410kg | 71.6kg | 302 wilks | IPF | RAW•

I agree - part of what I'll be focussing on next cycle is dead stop during training which will give me more practice off the ground. The video'd set is for max reps, kind of the peak of the program, so I wanted to push as much as possible. As a result it was sloppier than I would have liked!

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TomTPTOPM | 410kg | 71.6kg | 302 wilks | IPF | RAW•

https://youtu.be/PuW1bSlXceI

Day 1 of Mag/Ort. Hope you're proud of me!

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animalizedaim•

Form is on point. Just dont hyperextend (i think) that much. It puts stress on your low back

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TomTPTOPM | 410kg | 71.6kg | 302 wilks | IPF | RAW•

Thanks, I appreciate the check. I'll work on that - was cueing pushing my hips forward and went too far!

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DavidVanLegendary•

Quite surprised with your results, but from the sounds of things it honestly sounds you just want a different type of program. The general consensus for this program though is that people benefit from running it many times one after the other and people seem to stall on bench.

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TomTPTOPM | 410kg | 71.6kg | 302 wilks | IPF | RAW•

Yeah I've said elsewhere that maybe I just respond to more volume and less intensity. But are you suggesting it's best to give it another cycle or two to give it a better chance?

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DavidVanLegendary•

No honestly it sounds like you want something of a completely different style and that's perfectly fine. I'm just telling you that a lot of people have had great success with it, so you don't think it's overall just a poor program.

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smallof2pieces•

I'm running Mag-ort currently and only just finished week 4 so I can't offer much input on it, but I can highly recommend Coan-Phillipi for deadlift. It took my measly calculated 1RM of 475 to an actual meet pull of 515 that felt like I had 10lbs in the tank.

Some background: I've historically had lower back issues so I've always been leary about pushing my DL. CP has you run lower back accessories so I think forcing myself to do them was a huge plus. I also loved/hated the speed sets. They were brutal but awesome at the same time. It was a great way to get in high volume without doing an actual high volume set. I ended up splitting my main DL day from my accessories day to save my back a little, which I think was the right call. I could also do way more weight on the power shrugs than the program prescribed, so I did.

All in all, 40lbs in 10 weeks. 40/10 would recommend.

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back_brah•

Hey man! I am running mag ort right now for my deadlift and actually my bench also. My biggest tip is on the rest week DO NOT DEADLIFT even light speed pulls. I do 8x2 50% max box squats that week.

I tried it twice and couldnt finish for that reason. My 3rd run right now and it is working amazing. Good luck man.

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SirWafflesTheGreat•

I had a lot of success with the mag/ort program it's got me through a deadlift plateau for an easy 25lbs PR probably could have gotten heavier. I ran it with some slightly adjusted numbers to make loading plates more cleanly rounded (which made my 70% about 8# more).

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MacsMissionM | 530KG | 70KG | 377 Wks | USPA | RAW•

I find your review rather interesting, as this is the only one i've with substantial gain on the squat and deadlift. I'm actually entering my 5th week right now and these lower volume weeks are benefiting me so much. I'm also eating at a deficit right now and feeling great! This program actually gave me a lot of confidence in my lifts

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TomTPTOPM | 410kg | 71.6kg | 302 wilks | IPF | RAW•

That's great to hear! I've only heard good things about Candito from others but it just didn't click for me. I know most program reviews are positive but I wanted to give a different experience. It might be that I didn't recover well enough or that I respond better to lower intensity and more volume. Or it may be that Candito is useful for people who are stronger than me and I'm not at the right stage to implement it?

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MacsMissionM | 530KG | 70KG | 377 Wks | USPA | RAW•

The latter could be possible, since it is considered an intermediate program. He does have an LP that I've heard good things about. Never tried it though

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what_then•

Used Mag ort.... starting at a grinding comp deadlift max of 150kg....Tested today and got 165kg @73kg b.w

Judging from the video...u got 165kg in you....First of all DON'T BOUNCE the deadlifts...start DEAD from the floor every time....

In my opinon Candito's programm in week 5 has you rep a heavy deadlift in the last training day and you go at week 6 and try to max....The deadlift is one of the most taxing lifts for the CNS....

Use Mag/Ort for deadlifts with 160kg max....

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mr_asid•

Completing cycle 3 of this in the next fortnight, I've responded well to it. Had a brief few months last year with 5/3/1 BBB and Madcow but injuries got in the way.

Id consider this my first proper attempt at a powerlifting routine. Just my bench is creeping up unlike the others

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steamhawk•

I think you'll enjoy the Mag Ort deadlift program. I'm currently on my 3rd cycle, and have seen great results. From my experience, I would recommend calculating your workouts using the lighter 165kg. By week 10 in Mag Ort, you will be expected to pull a weight heavier than your starting 1RM for a double. You also finish every workout with an AMRAP set shooting for 8+. If you're too aggressive with the 1RM you base the program on, you might be too fatigued by the heavy sets to nail that AMRAP set at the end which I feel differentiates this program from some others and has helped me make decent gains. Good luck.

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Grootheidswaan•

3rd cycle as in 3rd 12 week cycle? How's that going? I just finished the program for the first time and kinda tempted to run it again

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steamhawk•

I'm using a 10-week cycle, based on the handy google doc available in this post (you'll find the Mag Ort deadlifts in Day 4 of the spreadsheet). I wasn't aware the original was 12 weeks. In the slightly modified program I'm following, it looks like the two rest weeks + test week are removed and one extra deadlift workout is added.

I started Mag Ort with my 1RM having stalled at 415lbs. At the end of Mag Ort cycle two (week 20), I pulled 435lbs x 2 at an RPE ~9. I haven't tested my max, but I'd say that translates conservatively to a 1RM of at least 445lbs. That rate over a year's time, if I could maintain it, would add 20% to my deadlift.

So if you had good results on the first go round and you enjoy the program, I'd say run it again using your new 1RM. Or you can try the 10-week version linked above for a slight variation.

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ens1980•

I started strength training, focusing on powerlifting around the same time as you and my deadlift is my weakest link as well.. I did the Candito 6 week around December 2016 and experienced many of the things you did.. At the end, the confidence I felt in my lifts from the program didn't translate to strength gains any different from what I'd experience from a weekly 5x5 progression.. In fact, the gains were probably less for me as I still have bouts on the newbie gains train.. but yes, overall I agree that it's not long enough and the deadlift volume wasn't optimal.. squats felt great after the punishment of weeks 2, etc but not enough time under heavy loads.. Some people love it though and run it back to back with great results..

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TomTPTOPM | 410kg | 71.6kg | 302 wilks | IPF | RAW•

Ah good to know it's not just me! What's your plan for deadlift if you don't mind me asking?

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ens1980•

At the moment I'm focusing on eating at a caloric surplus and doing a 6 week progression.. I don't do traditional starting strength as I can't squat multiple times a week at the volume and don't find it does anything for my deadlifts but the format of 5x5 really works for my body in terms of gaining mass and strength. Deadlifts I use 3x5. 3 sessions a week, one for each lift with some thrown in accessories. If I complete the volume I go up 5lbs. I switch back and forth from conventional to sumo but am training almost exclusively with sumo at the moment. For me personally, the two biggest things that helped my deadlift is engaging my glutes by pushing out with my feet, and fully engaging my lats/back.

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Maybelean•

Yes! You can run this program beltless although nobody wants to run it beltless but it is still runnable beltless although I would recommend that you do it with belt but don't forget that I ran it beltless and you didn't run it beltless.

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TomTPTOPM | 410kg | 71.6kg | 302 wilks | IPF | RAW•

K thnx

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Maybelean•

U welcum k bye

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EdwardElric69•

i used this program to peak for my first meet back in feb. In comp i did 165/105/185. this is a plus 5kg on squat and bench and a 15kg pr on deadlift. however if i had chosen attempts right i would have done 170/105/190. this would give me plus 10kg on squat and plus 20kg on deadlift. Liked the program. Probably wont run it again

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rectalthrash•

I've run this about 13 times over now for squats and have been able to consistently add 5+ lbs to my squat every cycle. Surprised you didn't see similar results, as is sounds like you were eating plenty. Maybe not enough sleep?

Anyway, I run deathbench for bench and magort for deadlifts, as I agree deadlifting and squatting heavy on the same day can really tax your lower back.

Good luck with your next cycle, whatever it may be. :)

For spreadsheets: http://liftvault.com

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Adrian-JH•

Your results are surprising. I have very similar stats to you (weight, height and strength) and running Candito has always given me great improvements in Squat and Deadlift, not so much for the bench though.

As Candito is a peaking program, maybe you running the 4th week twice messed up the cycle. And as others have said, definitely switch to a deadstop deadlift. Also I rarely do any accesories for the legs in this program, which helps me with recovery.

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voidnullvoid•

The Sheiko programs has 2x/week pulling for high volume for doubles and triples. And the selection of special exercises he uses is just great. Mag-Ort is a pretty aggressive program and while you may see great gains you also have a higher chance of getting injured or just dropping out because it's more than you can/are willing to.

Edit: watched your video. I suggest you reset for every rep. Your first rep looks good then when you start bouncing you are going into lumbar flexion pretty bad.

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