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ScumbagShaco

Why are Ottomans and Golden Horde historical rivals?

To my knowledge they weren't. On the opposite. The rulers were the 2nd most prestigious family (after the sultans family) in the Ottoman Empire as they were viewed as direct ascendants of Ghengis Khan. Also they were allies in the times when the tartars raided Moscow a couple of times. In a book I read on the Ottomans it says that the Golden Horde even became a liability to them because of that. Does anyone know more about this?

Posted Apr 13, 2017, 9:24 PM UTC

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iamcatch22•

It's a one-sided rivalry. Golden Horde views Ottomans as a rival, but Ottomans doesn't really care about GH. It stops the AI from allying and mucking up Russia/Poland, without blocking it for the player, I guess. Seems a bit silly to me, though

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morgoth95•

My best guess would be for game balance reasons. they arent in very desirable land for the Ottomans and are a pretty close Sunni nation which would make it easy for them to get an alliance which pdx dosent want because it screws too much with PLC/russia becoming strong and therefore being quite unhistorical

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TyroneLeinster•

I think they really just did this to allow Russia to fulfill its destiny without Ottoman interference. The Russians and Ottomans didn't clash until Russia became interested in Crimea (not coincidentally Crimea and Ottomans often have a cozy relationship in game).

It's also sort of a pre-emptive measure in the case Golden Horde grows large again. Had that happened in real life, it's quite likely that they would have been competing with the Ottomans for control of trade in the Caucuses and Persia.

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TyroneLeinster•

Which is accurate. Contention over the region between Ottomans and Russia occurred later because Russia wasn't interested or capable until later, but the Ottomans were protective of the area ever since the Byzantines lost control (before the game start date)

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Zep_Rocko•

Probably has more to do with rivalries between the Crimean Khanate and the Golden Horde. Particularly with the new event that makes Crimea a Turkish march, they probably want to handicap it so GH doesn't ally the turks and drag them into a war against Crimea.

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aetas212Spymaster•

That modifier existed before that event was put into the game.

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Zep_Rocko•

Yeah but before that Event, Ottomans also had historical friendship with Crimea. They don't anymore.

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Clusterferno•

Crimea is also an ex-mongol state (khanate) in real life rite?

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