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[Possible Spoilers] One of my main issues with the Eugene S7 storyline

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I posted this in another Eugene-specific thread, but just wanted to throw this out there in-regards to Eugene coming back to Alexandria.

The consensus seems to be that "Eugene will fall in line with whoever protects him. As soon as the tide turns, he'll support the gang again." But knowing this, why would Rick & gang even take him back, assuming he jumps ship again? Rick already has the template to make bullets, what rationale would he have to accept someone who's a traitor, a known liar, and brings no value other than cowardice?

When the next "Big Bad" shows up, how could Rick & gang possibly trust Eugene going forward?

Posted May 2, 2017, 4:13 PM UTC

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RossAM01•

At the end of S7 Ep11 Eugene and Dwight had a very short conversation that is up for interpretation but I think that it showed that Eugene and Dwight are on the same page, Dwight has promised to help Rick&co from the inside maybe Eugene will help too and in doing so will regain Rick&co's trust and will welcome him back.

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Naragun_•

Honestly I saw that more as Dwight asking him if he's on board being hopeful for a no since he himself is falling out of line but being disappointed with a yes. Basically the episode being focused on Eugene getting on board while Dwight starts straying away.

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Psionic_Powerhouse•

Dwight certainly didn't seem to imply anything about Eugene to Rick + Co.

No heads up that he might be faking it in the finale. Rosita was going to kill Eugene and Rick was advocating it.

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RossAM01•

The S7 Ep11 I think was them both agreeing that they aren't 'Negan' really, they don't want to be 'Negan'. 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' etc etc bla bla

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fifthchevron•

I feel like even a gesture of goodwill won't be able to take back Eugene saying "I am Negan" to Rick.

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pickin_grinnin•

I think that Eugene is biding his time and looking for an opportunity to fuck over Negan.

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[deleted]•

Yup -- I think it's safe to say Eugene loved Abraham. There's no way he lets that go.

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fifthchevron•

One of the last things he said to Abe was that he didn't need him anymore.

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gingerbeardy•

They shared an apology for that and made up before the gang split up and Eugene was brave enough to take the RV.

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[deleted]•

I think, especially after how unusually he acted after he made Rosita the bullet/she yelled at him for being a coward while bringing up Abraham, that he's currently in a tough spot where he's all by himself, trying to assess the situation at hand and finding out the right way to strike against Negan. There's no way he's a traitor.

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fifthchevron•

He agreed he was cowardly though.

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Dudbro31454•

Why didn't he give Sasha a gun or knife if he really wanted to duck over Negan?

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pickin_grinnin•

He thought she wanted to kill herself.

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fifthchevron•

She only said that in the context of "I have no other options left", so he still could've given her a knife/gun as an option. She was counting on that.

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BrokenArmsFrigidMom•

But, if she failed, Negan would know Eugene helped her. If she just ends up dead, then Negan is suspicious but there's doubt.

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[deleted]•

But Eugene doesn't bring no value other than cowardice. Remember:

  1. Eugene volunteered to lead the Saviors away using the RV at the end of Season 6. He knew he would be the bait.

  2. Eugene bit Dwight's crotch when he had a gun basically pointed at him.

  3. Sure, Rick has the bullet recipe, but who's better suited to actually make the bullets? The guy who found a facility with the right equipment and has already made one, or some random Alexandrian?

Eugene's still an asset, and I'm sure if he redeems himself by taking out a few Saviors, he will be welcomed back into the fold.

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ragingalcoholic73•

Ehhhhhhh, the only real point that holds water is the bullet making thing.

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chupacabrette•

Eugene could have told the Saviors that Rosita was at Sanctuary, but he didn't. He didn't have to give Sasha the pill, but he did.

He can see the scope of Negan's infrastructure, and now he's in a position to study it. He can see that the people at Sanctuary aren't really loyal to Negan, they're just terrified of him. And he's figured out that the Sanctuary's weakest link is Negan.

Because he's smarter than Negan.

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SporkPlug•

Eugene's stated (and proven) that he'll lie to stay alive.

Negan took him, and he rattled off his while "doctor" lie to prove his worth to Negan so he could stay alive. Doesn't mean he's loyal to Negan over Rick and the gang, or that he won't leverage his position to help Rick in the future.

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BIGRED99669966•

I hope Eugene is making a long play.

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Coelacanth1938•

I'm hoping that Eugene has some sort of convoluted Rube Goldberg revenge plan where he kills all of the Saviors all at once and leave the audience going, "WTF?"

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dlmgmario•

Rick and Rosita had accepted that they were gonna kill Eugene when they were gonna blow all the Saviors up in 716. I don't really think they'll want him back unless he goes above and beyond to prove himself that it was all part of his plan the whole time.

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sebrebc•

I think that's just it, he is useful. Think of him like a free agent in sports. It wasn't his dream to play in your city, he didn't grow up rooting for your team. But he can help you win and he will be helpful and loyal while he's there. Sure he might find himself on another team one day. But until then, take advantage of what he has to offer.

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Wainer24•

Eugene would literally have been killed instantly if he didn't fall in line. Rick is not OK with that. He understands what Eugene had to do.

Also, it's even possible that Negan would have used Eugene against the survivors with is weird mind fuck stuff he does, if Eugene tried to resist assimilating.

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fifthchevron•

I think his confrontation with Rick in the finale sealed the deal on that. They made the decision to go ahead and set off the explosives. Negan pointed it out. So I think whatever Eugene wants to do won't matter, Rick's group won't take him back. They have every right not to btw, considering one of Negan's victims was the man who introduced Eugene to the group in the first place. He's disrespected Abe's memory even if there wasn't much choice. Rosita will certainly never forgive him and I highly doubt Rick would. Neither would Daryl (see: Fat Joey).

My guess is Eugene isn't making it through S8, so he won't have to try to assimilate again anyway.

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MrsCookieMonster•

I hated Eugene reverting back to a coward. That was my main issue with his character in season 7. All the development before means nothing. Oh wait he nutted up again in season 8. Just repetitive.

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fifthchevron•

He only really had a few fleeting moments of heroism.

And trauma from the Negan kills might make some people regress.

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PeteTheSeed•

I imagine his cowardism isn't something that would just disappear. Sure, he's 'nutted up' a few times, but that doesn't change who he is. It's just a part of his character, a part that he's managed to overcome on a few occasions. But when faced with Lucille, alone and with absolutely no idea that anyone is going to be able to help him, it's not surprising that he reverts back to what's kept him alive in the past; lies and cowardism. Can't say I blame him, because Lord knows more than half of us would do the same.

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