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WD51

Which Big 4 members are likely to stay involved in the tour as coaches or commentators?

It is very common for star players across all sports to continue to be involved in the sport after they retire from high level play. Who would be better to mentor the next generation and give personal insight to viewers than the players that have played at the highest level?

In tennis, there are many examples of high level coaches coming with decorated playing pedigrees. All Big 4 members have spent some time being coached by former Grand Slam winners. Federer partnered with Stefan Edberg (6x GS winner) for a year, Nadal with Carlos Moya (1x GS winner) starting this season, Murray with Ivan Lendl (8x GS winner) on and off for about 4 years total, and Djokovic with Boris Becker (6x GS winner) for 3 years and now exploring a possibly partnership with Andre Agassi (8x GS winner). Pete Sampras (14x GS winner) has mentioned in the past being interested in coaching up-and-coming young players in the future. Often, these are temporary relationships where the coaches come into the team to offer a different perspective/style and serve to help fine tune a player. On the commentator side, who can forget 8x GS winner and tennis bad boy John McEnroe and 3x GS winner Mary Joe Fernandez? There's a revolving door for former players as guest commentators as well.

These are attributes I think would factor into coaching:

  1. Style of play: Some coaches were all-around players, others brought a specific style to the table.

  2. Career Experiences/Personal Growth: Sometimes players need a life mentor more than tennis tips.

  3. Long Term vs Short Term: Some coaches are brought in to bump players to the next level, others expect a long term relationship as a mentor.

These are attributes I think would factor into commentating:

  1. Passion for the sport: Makes listening much more enjoyable if you can tell the commentator is enthused about the match.
  2. Knowledge of sport and history: Former players give you insight into what it's like to be on the court or in the locker room that goes beyond just watching.
  3. Eloquence and Poise: I don't expect the commentator to be Bill Walton, but they better not be Reggie Miller.

Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, and Murray have spoiled us with a golden era of tennis. Which of them do you see coming back to the sport as a commentator or coach after retirement? Any other roles you can see them playing as ambassadors of the sport? Have any of them said anything about interest in such activities?

Will include my opinion in comments.

PS: I am American and mostly follow men's tennis so I apologize if my examples are male/US media centric.

Posted May 23, 2017, 12:51 AM UTC

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madillinsanebut a sensible tennis fan•

I can see a really old Federer taking over Rod Lavers role, handing out salms etc.

Nadal becomes a supercoach at his academy and brings out lots of fine tuned talent.

Murray coaches Stefan Djokovic and one of Federer's daughters, who are married and dominate the mixed doubles.

Djokovic becomes 15. Dalai Lama

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new2tennisSwiss Maestro•

I don't think any of them will be coaches. The only reason they would do it is if they get bored. Roger has a huge foundation so he will definitely focus on his philanthropic work. Rafa has a tennis academy that he will be very invested in. Djokovic I'm guessing will do some humanitarian work for Serbia. Murray will do whatever it is that British Wimbledon champions and gold medalists do.

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WD51OP•

Murray will do whatever it is that British Wimbledon champions and gold medalists do.

Fred Perry was last British Wimbledon winner (back in 1930s), but did not win Olympic Gold. Apparently during/after tennis he dated some actresses (both American and English), eventually moved to America and became an American citizen and launched his own clothing line. Not a bad road for Murray.

Last British guy that won both Wimbledon and Olympic Gold was Arthur Gore. Can't find much about his personal life after tennis. Previously, Laurence Doherty had also won both singles and doubles Olympic gold in 1900 as well as 8 total Wimbledons last 1905. Apparently he switched to playing golf in 1906, then died at age 43 of bacteremia. Might have had tuberculosis too? Kinda blows :/.

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chaosdrebz•

I think that Murray would make the best commentator, and Djokovic would make the best coach.

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rain_slave•

Completely agree...I think Murray and Roddick will make an awesome pair in the commentary box..

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democraticwhre•

"The Andys"

I think we have something here

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WD51OP•

Federer:

Coach: I think Federer would be a great addition to a team from both a tactical standpoint and a mental standpoint. He has an all-around game and his playing style has evolved and shifted over time. I think he’d advocate for a more aggressive style of tennis with more coming to the net. He’s someone that has been to the top, had some stumbles, and rose back up again while staying passionate about the sport. I think he would fit more of the temporary partnership style of mentoring rather than long term coach to get promising players over the hump. He could coach players with a variety of styles, but I think he’d be best as an addition to a player looking for advice on how to get more aggressive. He’s had multiple people on his coaching team include former Sampras Coach Annacone, Stefan Edberg, and current coaches Luthi and Ljubicic. Given his long career and multiple kids, I don’t expect to see him coaching right away or traveling on tour for long periods of time. Maybe after a decade or two once the kids are gone.

Commentator: Again, Federer would be a great commentator and tennis personality. He’s fluent in multiple languages, has been poised and talkative in interviews, and clearly still has love for the game even after a long career. I could see him doing spots as a guest commentator during some GS tournaments or at Basel.

Other Roles? Federer has always been a presence at his home country’s largest tournament, the Swiss Indoors in Basel where he was a former ballboy and won 7x. We could see him taking a larger role in organization and promotion, or with the Swiss Davis Cup team. His representation of his country at Davis cup games has been inconsistent given their lack of supplementary talent for much of his career, but he did commit to partnering with late bloomer fellow countryman Wawrinka to win the country’s only Davis Cup title in 2014.

Nadal:

Coach: I think Nadal’s interest in coaching might be less clear. I’ve always thought that Nadal is more of a private individual. For most of his life his coaching team has been centered around his family, specifically his uncle former professional player Toni Nadal who started coaching/training him at the tender age of 3. Only this season has he added Carlos Moya to the team with Uncle Toni transitioning out of following him on tour. Nadal is certainly a legendary player and the best clay court player and in the argument for GOAT. He has a very physical heavy topspin style and dogged court coverage with aggressive shotmaking from the baseline. If he coaches, I’d see him looking more to nurture a young talent long term than do temporary partnerships to hone an individual.

Commentator: Nadal has made leaps in his public speaking abilities since coming into the spotlight as a teenager, but I don’t know if he’d be a great fit for commentating. To be fair, I have not watched many interviews of him in his natural language.

Other Roles? Spain has a couple high profile tennis tournaments, Masters 1000 Madrid Open and 500 series Barcelona Open. I’m not sure which one the Mallorcan has more ties with. Mallorca is geographically closer to Barcelona, but Nadal supports RC Madrid for football. The Barcelona Open has named their center court after him and he’s always participated in that event, winning it 10 times. He’s also been a frequent representative in a multitude of talented Spanish Davis Cup teams, winning the title 4x over his career.

Murray:

Coach: I don’t know too much about Murray’s interest or fit in this situation. He’s been heralded as the next British hope for so damn long and finally got the monkey off his back with his win(s) at Wimbledon. There’s also that Scottish/British identity he has to juggle with the media. British if he wins, Scottish if he loses as the joke goes. He’s more of a passive and defensive player, but one of the best counterpunchers on tour. He’s had a multitude of coaches, the most famous of which is Lendl who has been credited with helping him sharpen up his mental game and rise to win slams. His mental game has been a question mark during large portions of his career, and on court he gets down on himself pretty often. He could be an addition to a team for specific players with similar playing style or to provide advice for help dealing with expectations and pressure.

Commentator: British media is certainly big in tennis and they have some top tier tournaments, notably Wimbledon. As the only living British man to win any Grand Slam, let alone Wimbledon, I imagine there will be offers out there if he wants it. However, I think with the level of criticism he’s had from British media at times throughout his career he might pass on being more than an occasional guest commentator for fear of scrutiny. Other Roles? Britain hosts 3 large tennis tournaments: Queen’s Club, the ATP Finals, and of course Wimbledon. Wimbledon is high profile to begin with, but we could see him promote Queen’s Club, the event he’s won 5x. His relationship with Britain’s floundering Davis Cup team has been tenuous at times. He’s skipped events multiple times and has received criticism from team captain at times for doing so.

Djokovic:

Coach: Djokovic has had an interesting history with his coaching team. He’s had a long list of tennis coaches, the most celebrated of which is a 3 year partnership with Boris Becker. He’s also had a dietician who diagnosed him as gluten intolerant, and he has credited a lot of his success to maintaining a vegan diet. Former player Pepe Imaz (who promotes the power of meditation and lengthy hugs) has also been a part of his team after curing Djokovic’s father of depression. As a player, he’s an all-around player that wears you down in baseline rallies. He’s had a stretch of all-time great tennis for the past half decade before sputtering out last year after finally completing a career Slam at the FO. Since then, he’s admitted to having lost his drive for tennis for a period, but hopefully he bounces back. I think his coaching style would be influenced by the conditioning work and meditation he’s been exposed to. He’s definitely had a top tier mental game during his peak, and hopefully after his recent funk resides he’ll be able to provide some insight into avoiding that as well.

Commentator: He’s always come off as a very open and extroverted person. He was booed at some tournaments for behavior on the court earlier in his career (including US if I remember right) and liked to try to please the crowd as a (D)joker, but he’s become more mature and more poised as he became a top player. I don’t know much about Serbian media, but I think he’d be more interested in developing Serbian tennis coverage than at a US or UK broadcasting station. Personality wise I think the mix of serious and joking nature would be a great fit.

Other Roles? His family already owns the Serbian Open, an ATP 250 event where he has won a couple times. He’s been a big figure in Serbia’s Davis cup team and was a key part of their 2010 title win. I imagine he will continue advancing Serbian tennis through a combination of both events.

All of these guys have been great ambassadors of the sport, and I hope that they will continue to have a role in the sport, large or small, after retirement.

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democraticwhre•

Murray has apparently helped other British players, and he does seem to be nice enough to tennis players not named Andy Murray. I could see him as a coach.

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WD51OP•

he does seem to be nice enough to tennis players not named Andy Murray.

Yeah, sometimes I just want to go up to him and tell him to leave Andy alone :-(.

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alpacafarts•

I think Murray would help a lot with other British players. Not British here but from what I've heard about yours guys press/papers - it can be pretty ruthless. Murray would be the perfect mentor on how to navigate those treacherous waters.

EDIT: yours meant to be speaking more generally to the rest of the subreddit, not presuming you specifically are British.

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Sloblock•

I see Rafa being more involved in football and golf than tennis and I imagine the extent of his involvement in tennis will be limited to his academy.

Federer I can't see coaching or commentating (except for the odd guest appearance). He strikes me as more of an ambassadorial character for the global game as too many tennis organisations/broadcasters will want a piece of Fed once he retires and as such I imagine he'll end up just forging his own path.

Novak... goodness knows whilst his association with Pepe continues.

Murray, I don't think will coach any pros, but I do think he'll end up quite involved in trying to improve facilities and childhood engagement with tennis in the UK. I can also see him getting involved in trying to reform the LTA. I do think Murray could make a great (co-)commentator if he can get over his reticence about his voice and warm to the task. He can be a very engaging person away from the court and could deliver some great insights.

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insty1•

I wouldn't be surprised to see Andy coach a woman one day.

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democraticwhre•

His daughter?

Although he's said the opposite, he said he would like to see more women coaching, rather than men coaching all the women as well

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Pourquoijv🇫🇷🇩🇿 Allez Kiki !•

I could at most see Fed being involved through the Basel tournament in some way… maybe Murray as a commentator a little later

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Nicklefickle•

I often think about how, someday I'll be watching a tournament and a grey and wrinkled Nadal or Federer will be sitting in the crowd and I'll bore my son or daughter with stories of how great they were way back when.

I'm pretty sure all four will appear on BBC's Wimbledon coverage at different points after their retirements.

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