State department cancels 18 year Ramadan Festivity tradition
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businessinsider.comPosted May 27, 2017, 6:14 PM UTC
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businessinsider.comHere's what you do in a pluralist society:
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Celebrate all major religious holidays.
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Celebrate none of them.
You can't play favorites.
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Lets not be a pluralist society.
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That's an Islam problem, not a monism problem.
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Username checks out, or user checks out? You decide.
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This is fucking shameful. I want my country back.
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Where's my country gone
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As a person of color, this is pretty much the standard experience.
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I'm also a person of color (Indian-American). What the hell are you even talking about? What experience?
Don't claim to speak for all people of color. This is the standard experience for you.
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This is hilarious because I just attended a seminar about Indian Americans and discrimination. Things like from how Indian doctors had to practice in rural areas because they couldn't get hired to the incredible glass ceiling all Indian professional face now.
Just because you're not woke doesn't mean there isn't a struggle. I'm done blacksplaining tho.
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As an actual Indian American, I'd wager that you're either tone deaf or white haha
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That doesn't make sense because the tradition was almost 18 years old.
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Yeah, this is pretty normal, people are just noticing it.
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There's an old Alan Jackson song called Gone Country.
....wait...that's about something different. Never mind.
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I'm sure Trump considers his trip to the Middle East to be sufficient.
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I'm half expecting Trump to order a Year-round, life sized Nativity scene (featuring the lil' White baby Jesus) to be on display in the Capitol Rotunda.
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That'll be President Pence's first executive order.
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Only if Mother approves.
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If Trump goes down, Pence goes down.
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Can they at least celebrate Festivous in its place? I have a fucking long list of grievances I need to air about these assholes.
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I'd love to engage some specific individuals in feats of strength.
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Alvistime is in the hizzy
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Gather 'round the pole.
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B-b-but Trump loves Muslims! /s
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This should make the ISIS indoctrination process easier. I'm not going to any events until after these dudes get out of office.
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Probably a good idea.
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I'm not much a praying man, although I do on occasion. One of the common ones right now is praying no major attacks happen while trump is in office. I don't want him to use the deaths of Americans or others as a power grab and an attempt to distract from the russia investigations.
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Islam has nothing to do with terrorism so we better be nice to muslims or they'll become terrorists.
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Extremism isn't Islam. However, extremist groups do prey upon those that already feel excluded.
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Too complicated and nuanced.
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Land of the Free /s
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* Terms and conditions apply.
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... so does Tillerson actually "do" anything?
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He's a carrier pigeon to Putin.
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He is the diplomatic equivalent of a decorative hand towel.
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He's an oil executive who is extremely well-connected with Russia. He does plenty. But it can't be discussed because it isn't exactly legal.
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Of course they do. Because they are hateful pieces of shit.
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I am disappointed they celebrated any religious holiday, and I hope they cancel all others.
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Since 1999, Republican and Democratic secretaries of state have nearly always hosted either an iftar dinner to break the day's fast during Ramadan or a reception marking the Eid al-Fitr holiday at the end of the month, at the State Department.
We are still exploring possible options for observance of Eid al-Fitr
While every indication is that it won't happen there is still the possibility that it might. As such the title is misleading as it is only likely the tradition will be broken, it has not been broken yet.
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Our government should not be supporting religion.
This is probably the only thing tillerson will do that is good.
And for those that get their panties in a bunch about christmas. Chrstmas is a commercial holiday, not religious. Same with valentines day and easter. It has become US culture and is independent of religion.
When the goverment actknowledges easter, they should be talking about a holiday, not any religious crap.
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For a brief, glorious instant I ask myself "Why?"
Then I remembered who was President.
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Gotta keep "islam hates us" narrative for next election...
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These people are failures of the highest calibur. You all deserve a pat on the back for not being these assholes.
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Ramadan "festivity" fasting and praying...doesn't sound very festive to me.No wonder they cancelled it
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And, you know, the large family meal at the end of every day, and the ridiculously huge feast and gift giving at the end of the month.
For the record, not Muslim, I just know what... well what anyone who has ever actually read about Ramadan does.
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Yes, people are upset.
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Why do you hate America?
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Can we cancel Christmas, too? As long as we're cancelling major religious holidays, let's make sure we treat everyone equally. (I will let you figure out if that's sarcasm.)
Honestly I'd be fine with that. I don't see why the government needs to be celebrating religious holidays at all...
So would I.
Agreed - abolish all this nonsense
Omg you damn liberals hate America don't you?!?! /s
Unsarcastically I would like to say I would prefer my state department not celebrate any religious traditions. Sure you can wish others well, but festivities? That's crosses separation of Church and State to me.
So you weren't ok with the waster egg hunt? The annual Christmas tree?
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are you serious? how the fuck am i supposed to get new socks for 2018 then?
Dwight, take New Years away from Stanley
Does this include pagan Halloween?
Nah, that's more like LARP, so it's not a religious event.
Where did you read the holiday is being canceled? The link in the OP doesn't say anything like that. Looking forward to your source. Thanks.
The article doesn't say the holiday is being "cancelled." What it says is that our government is disrespectfully cancelling a celebration that they have held for the last eighteen years. Because we don't like Muslims anymore. I'm sure you'd agree. This is our country, and Muslims should go back home, wherever that is. (Again, I'll let you decide if I'm being sarcastic.) Edit: You actually posted something that said Erdogan should teach the Secret Service to put protesters in the hospital?
How on earth did you sift thru all of the bullshit "holier than thou" comments on that guys profile to find the Erdogan comment?
Law school taught me to scan read. I was looking for something odious and alt-right. It's not that far down.
I am curious. Having read u/veniceinperil comment to you, I have to ask. Are you seriously unable to comprehend what took place here or are you defending the idea that what happened did not happen?
You took exception with the word "cancel" as it did not appear in the article. Okay, but then you said "anything like that" happened, which it plainly and obviously did.
Tillerson declined. So...say it with me...he canceled this event.
I understand exactly what happened and I'm not defending anything. It was stated that the holiday has been canceled and I still don't see any evidence or reporting of that. That is all, I'm not referring to anything else.
What you quoted is not anything like a holiday being canceled. I don't even know how a holiday would be canceled but it certainly wouldn't be by one US government agency declining to throw a party celebrating that holiday.
You want to shift the goalposts to event? It was stated that he canceled the holiday, not an event.
Okay, I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt here.
He did not cancel the holidays associated with Ramadan, he canceled one of the events associated with the holiday celebrated for Ramadan normally recognized by the US government, in particular, the State Department.
And by "canceled" we can agree that Tilerson, on behave of the US government, chose not to hold an event celebrating Ramadan that has normally been held for the past 20 years.
And by using the term "canceling" the holiday, we, that is myself and some others, understand that what was meant by that phrase was canceling of an event associated with a holiday for which Muslims partake on behave of this event they call Ramadan.
With all of that being said, reasonable people can concur that what happened has the same concerns and optics regardless of the term "holiday" or "event."