when is zen+ or zen2 out?

im not gonna be buying threadripper nor i9 because i find them ridiculously stupid, just too early for 16 cores, also look at them immature x299 and x399 motherboards, they're just look stupidly crap with all those fancy looking rgb, m.2 cooler and oversaturated designs, waste of money and will be costy. zen+/zen2 will be more mature and worth buying or upgrading since it'll be an upgrade of ryzen but more powerful ipc and single core performance also somewhat 6-8 core choices... 16 cores for me is like 2021 all i want is a minimalistic motherboard design with no fancy features but yet a powerful power phase and vrm, basically a powerful motherboard at its finest and oh yes nothing above 8 core, so i guess zen2 will be my pick!

when are zen+ and zen2 releasing? im willing to wait since im currently on i5 6500 4.6ghz