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hyperion064

Do you think Zahard is being controlled/influenced by something?

We recently found out that the Blue Demon thing isn't an inherent part of Baam that his mind manifested to explain his power, but is an administrator-like creature that, for some unknown reason, has attached itself to Baam and has been whispering in his ear, trying to influence him.

There have been many parallels made between Zahard and Baam, the most prevalent being the change they wanted to bring to the tower. The current Floor of Death arc has had multiple instances of creatures hiding away in the shadows, influencing/taking over their hosts.

Both Red Thryssa and the Ghost of the 13 Months influenced and manipulated their hosts. The Red Thryssa preyed on Hell Joe's despair and nurtured his ruthlessness/power-hungriness, slowly deteriorating his morals/values. We learned that the Ghost of the 13 Months messed with the minds of Princesses and made them fight one another, ensuring that there were always casualties and violence between the Princesses.

At the end of the Urek/Baam battle versus Hell Joe, Red Thryssa emerged and fully took over Hell Joe's body. Likewise, when Yuri activated two of the 13 Months, she was taken over by the Ghost, who we learned did the same to Eurasia.

Back in the Hell Train arc, we saw the Blue Demon attempting to get Baam to use his power and influence him in other ways. However, with the power of the mysterious sun and his own crazy abilities, Baam has basically been able to ignore the Blue Demon.

So with all these parallels associated with Baam and Zahard and the consistent themes of the demon whispering in characters' ears that have appeared throughout the story, do you all think that Zahard had something inside him or something that attached to him that constantly preyed on him as he traversed the tower, eventually wearing his morals/values down and twisting the dream that he once had?

And if so, what, if any, connection does that have to the Blue Administrator thing inside Baam?

Posted Jul 7, 2017, 6:43 AM UTC

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LordBeerus9•

Yes. I do think zahard was influenced by the guardian from floor 135 ever since he got on to that floor.

Arlene also said he was being blinded by falsehoods.

The guardian even gave him a deal for immortality.

Zahard wasn't like that from the beginning, he wanted to make the tower a place where everyone was happy as said by GOG

I also think the guardian is baam's true enemy not zahard.

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hyperion064OP•

Was it the 135th Floor Guardian who made the contract of immortality? I could have sworn it was the 100th Floor Guardian but I may be messing up my lore.

It could fit that its the 135th Floor Guardian is the one that may be influencing Zahard. That could explain the mysterious circumstance behind his decision to stop climbing at the 135th Floor.

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coofuu•

It was the 100th

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TheWizee•

i dont know, it seems to simple for that to have happened... idk why tho

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ricardo241•

135 floor guardian? Not the one that he met on his POTty training?

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LordBeerus9•

Potty trainer is called God of Guardians

The 135th floor guardian is another one and he's the one that zahard made a deal with

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ricardo241•

I mean in the training o.O

I remember GoG said something about not giving in to your power and not to be like Jahad when he trained Bam(when he met the blue demon for the first time)

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Trexander77•

It's the 100th floor guardian that made the deal of immortality with zahard and the family heads,not the 135th. It was a reward for passing his test iirc.

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zoro_the_copy_ninja•

Do you think any of this has to do with headon?

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LordBeerus9•

Nahh. Headon wants zahard gone. He gave fug rachel.

Zahard is disrupting the natural process of the tower by obstructing regulars from ascending beyond level 135

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Xavier93•

We have clearly seen that Red Thryssa is not a perfect being, it's far from that and so it could be wrong about it's statements.

Also we don't know exactly what the demon is, even after what Red Thryssa said. If the demon is the manifestation of Baam powers and desires then that could mean that Baam powers are admin-like, it's not necessary that the blue demon is a completely separate entity.

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kazraps•

It depends on the Korean text. The translation is a bit loose but I believe the Red Thryssa was saying "how do you have the power of THIS guardian [of the 43rd floor]" not ANY guardian

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death2boredom•

I think its more heavily implied that the Blue Demon is an outside force that exists within The Tower from ancient times. I say this because of Hoaquin's story and the GOG's comment on Zahard and temptation.

The origin of these demons may be either a source of temptation included as an additional test within The Tower system, a force of power outside of the floor Administrators, or a manifestation of the collective unconscious desires for power within those who climb The Tower. The last one goes along with what you said, but what I said collective unconscious because I believe that Baam himself wouldn't have such a strong desire to "rule" to creat something like the blue demon on his own. Instead I feel like its possible that over time as many Irregulars attempted to climb The Tower, their buried desires for more power and the reasons behind those desires created these demons.

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hyperion064OP•

I hadn't thought of it like that before. The demon being a manifestation of Baam's power and not an outside being could have some interesting implications down the line.

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Xavier93•

It would be hilarious if the red thryssa thought that the blue demon was a part of an administration just like him and that this is the reason why he went inside baam, to meet that part, and then realizes that it's just baam's power and now is trapped inside that boy with a sun-like thing inside that tries to kill him all the time.

It would be a living hell hahahaah.

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TheWizee•

Man it would be awesome if baam could use the red thryssa powers now, i mean paralyze and power absorb is OP

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kanuut•

I've read up to 336, which I thought was the latest chapter. But I don't recall anything about the blue demon being an administrator-like entity. What chapter does this occur in? Is it one I haven't read yet or did I miss it?

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Mashrif•

Read chapter 333. It is implied by red thrysa that the blue demon is a administrator like being.

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kanuut•

Reread it just now.

Thanks, I hadn't connected that up to being the blue demon, I knew it had to be something he'd collected over his time but there's the massive amount of souls, the thorn, the blue demon, his 'true power's, irregular status, etc that could've all been it if you don't consider the eye (which I must've glossed over or something).

So thanks.

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Mashrif•

No problem. but i wonder did fug gave it to him or it came with his soul like the giant sun?

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kanuut•

I think it must've been something he had from before. Not really a good piece of evidence to say "it's this way", but more that no other way seems to make sense.

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Huntson•

What chapter did we first this blue creature in Baam? I don't remember that part in the Hell train arc

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death2boredom•

http://www.webtoons.com/en/fantasy/tower-of-god/season-2-ep-170/viewer?title_no=95&episode_no=251

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TheWizee•

POWER

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SpyMonkey3D•

I think he's mostly controlled by his own desillusion, etc. We saw Baam confronting the "power to stand over others", instead choosing the sun, but it seems Zahard accepted it.

Also, if being a king means controlling a crowd, the king being controlled by the crowd, or by the nobles/lower ranks isn't unheard of. You can put that Guardian exist too, so it's like he really has a god given right to rule, and what's given can be taken back.

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piasenigma•

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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TonySansNom•

but is an administrator-like creature

That, we don't know. Don't take what the red thryssa or what Hell Joe said at face value.

So with all these parallels associated with Baam and Zahard and the consistent themes of the demon whispering in characters' ears that have appeared throughout the story, do you all think that Zahard had something inside him or something that attached to him that constantly preyed on him as he traversed the tower, eventually wearing his morals/values down and twisting the dream that he once had?

Most likely, yes.

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hangmeplz•

I think that part of one of the deals that they made is preventing them from going nay further up the tower. I think that Po Bidau was trying to parallel that with White. That he had gained some power but was in fact cursed.

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