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KickerofTale

*Rant* This show had promise

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I need to preface this post by saying that I've seen all of the Originals first prior to seeing any of the VD. I really liked the Originals, and it's cheese, so I thought that watching VD would be a continuation of that.

Hoo boy!

I enjoyed the first few seasons of VD enough to get to near the end of season 4. It seems like season 1 had a definite format, writing in journals, doing school stuff and dealing with the super natural in Mystic falls. Everyone was learning about themselves, their past and the past of the city they live in.

Then, shit just gets fucked.

I'm currently near the end of Season 4 and I don't know why anyone hasn't straight bitch slapped Elena yet. Seriously, the worst fucking character on the CW (which is sayin something). Constantly, she's waffled back and forth over how she feels about the 2 brothers, when she's a human and when she's a vamp, should I be with Stefan or Damien.

Girl, get the fuck over yourself. Also, the 2 brothers should have the nuts to know that this bitch is totally self involved and to find LITERALLY ANYONE ELSE to date.

Also, I'm aware the last episode of Season 4 is Graduation, but good fucking Christ, they haven't been in school AT FUCKING ALL. It's a damn joke to the viewing audience that a bunch of people (who are basically in their mid 20's if not older) are still somehow attending school while never actually being there.

The writers of this show must think that the audience is denser than lead.

In summation, Elena needed to be ejected into the sun during S2, imo. The brothers need to stop trolling highschool for dates (seriously, its fuckin creepy that they are not attracted to more mature women, this speaks to their own arrested development). S1 was fun but it's all down hill from there. Not even the Originals, whose cameo's through S3 and 4 were nice, could save this.

Caroline is the true star of this show.

(debating on if I'll finish the show or not, my GF is already sick and tired of it)

Posted Aug 17, 2017, 6:59 PM UTC

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SandyAmandy•

Agree 10000% about Caroline being the real star, the writing declines tragically as the series continues, but I watched it all and I think there's enough good in there to make it worth it! Especially if you've already seen the originals. Alaric kept me going on all honesty haha

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KickerofTaleOP•

Caroline is the only person on the show, outside of Matt maybe, that really sticks to their moral guns the entire time (from what I've seen so far). She's definitely the bright, happy center, that other characters orbit around and she's always grounded.

I'll finish S4, just because I only have a few left, but Elena is making that really hard to do. I sincerely cannot believe she's a main character.

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AndroidMasterZ•

Klaus and Caroline ... That too just after Tyler.... Her BF 's Mom was killed/Aunt Jenny and her best friend was killed by this guy... Moral guns? U kidding me? This show has none.

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robinhooddd•

To be honest, I think you shouldn't finish the show. There are three more seasons and they have a lot of episodes. It isn't gonna get much better with the story lines.. I felt the same as you do at that point, and I've finished it because.. well I don't know actually lol. I've always LOVED Caroline and Damon is keeping pretty awesome to.  

And wow, very happy to hear that some more people like Caroline, always thought I was one of the few.

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KickerofTaleOP•

I think Caroline is great and I look forward to any scene she is in. The incessant waffling done by Elena throughout the seasons is easily the biggest drag and I'm kinda shocked it went for 8 seasons with what I've seen so far.

Damon is...admittingly, the better of the 2 brothers. Ian can definitely chew some scenes.

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kuegsi•

Just here to give a bit of a different opinion regarding continuing watching.

I got tired of Elena too. And funnily enough I also starting oscillating between thinking Stefan was good for her to Damon, and back to Stefan, then thinking they all just needed to "let it go" already.

Anyways. For me, the show picked up again in season six. There's a lot going on that does not really involve Elena and focuses on Damon and Bonnie - something I found intriguing.

Then the end of season six changed everything, and without giving away too much, I'm sure you've heard that Nina Dobrev had taken a long "hiatus" from the show after that.

And it was glorious for the show. While I didn't like all of season 7, I loved the focus on different characters, I loved that there was a new "ship" for me to surprisingly immediately fall for, and the focus on Caroline.

I, too, have loved her development over the course of the show the most. She's easily one of my favorites.

Season 8 is just a continuation of that, and while a few things were ridiculously lame (and, hush, I may be writing fanfiction to overcome certain other things... lol) it still captivated me enough to finish it.

Just for that alone, I'd vote: stick with it. Fast forward occasionally if you must, but give it a chance. :)

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littlered224•

I completely agree with you! I do like that in the later seasons you find out why Damon turned off his emotions in New York and more info like that. If you do stop watching the show, please watch this video!!! it is my favorite scene of the whole show now!!!! ELENA GILBERT SUCKS!!!! https://youtu.be/dcvgrSx4v0A And I love Caroline too!

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KickerofTaleOP•

Thanks, I'll give it a go when I'm done with work.

I really liked the originals, so I thought that would translate, but it's clear VD is after the junior/highschool crowd while the originals is just a tad north of that.

Love triangles are not meant to be stretched out for as long as VD did.

Caroline is the best. This show should have centered on her and not Elena. That one scene in S4 where Jeremy is "officially" dead and Elena cries and Stephan's like "She feels more than anyone else". Fucking gag me with a spoon. Nina D is the ugliest crier I've ever seen for someone so drop dead gorgeous.

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littlered224•

Well as Kitty Kat said its always about Elena. that scene where stefan says you dont know what I look like when I'm not in love with you. I totally saw her trying to compute in her brain to make it all about her. Stefan Rebecca tried to kill me wah wah. Why were you with Rebekah, she's evil. Well Elena Killed Kol for selfish reasons! And yeah Caroline is the best! Wish the show was more about her. Watching early seasons it seems Elena and Bonnie are BFF and Caroline is the 3rd wheel that isn't appreciated, which is really irritating too. Sorry for the ramble 🙂

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KickerofTaleOP•

rambles totally appreciated!

I mean, clearly, I liked this show enough to be angry at how I feel about it. So they did something right.

It's hard for me to be up to date on the crazy amount of back stabbing/role flipping that happens. I mean, Bonnie was like "Lets just kill 12 people, it's totes cool!" (I fully realize there are reasons with this).

Even back to S1, Elena was like "wut du I du wiff Matt?". Like that somehow needed to be played out to the degree that it was.

Elena just reminded me of some flightly hoes I remember from back in the day, but amplified to 11. There were just so many times I wanted to reach through the screen and be like "ARE U KITTEN ME?"

Seriously, if I had a brother and he liked a girl, there wouldn't be a way in hell I'd ever try to get with her.

I also do not understand why people who are over a century old, even hang out a highschool, let alone plan their entire evenings around highschool events. It's creepy and most teenagers are annoying to those who are decades, nay, centuries older than them. S1 should have been them graduating from highschool and not starting their sophomore year (or whatever it was). I'd have found that more acceptable.

Nice to see there are more in the Caroline camp. She is the 1 character that the writers did well on and it's a borderline shame she was the 3rd wheel in the bestie circle.

cheers!

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littlered224•

I hate Elena so much! I wanted to see the Salvatore brothers realize how horrible she was and be finished with her. that would have been amazing!

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bbukrpdr•

Elena did come across annoying to most of the viewers, however lots of people need to come to a conclusion that:

The Originals is a spin-off off the vampire diaries, meaning it's not going to be exactly alike at all. Now, I'm not saying that you think or want them to be exactly alike, what I'm trying to say is that The Originals takes on a different concept and feeling, but also fills in the holes for the vampire diaries.

For example, there wasn't a lot of witches in the first seasons, and the only main one we knew was Bonnie. Whereas in the originals, witches are a major part in the show and practically involved day one. Now if you take into account that the vampire diaries was obviously made before the originals (hence the reason the originals is a spin-off), and the vampire diaries was really showing what was several life's of teenagers going through a transformation into the supernatural world. Elena, practically an emotional wreck from the start, was put through the vampire transformation which even made her more emotional. Bonnie, she found out she was a witch but with learning this she had the unfortunate loss of her relative but then also went through probably one of the most painful experiences of them all, which was dying and being trapped in a prison world.

We are basically witnessing teenagers being practically forced into the world of the supernatural and seeing what it puts them through. Because of this, the emotions have to be amplified of the characters. Unfortunately, the main character for the majority of the show, Elena, was the one to be the biggest emotional wreck. I personally didn't have much of a problem with her, I didn't have favourites but I did like certain characters over than others. And I'm going to say this which will get me downvotes:

You CAN say that you prefer the originals over the vampire diaries because of the concept, how ones about teenagers and the other ones about an original supernatural family, but you CANNOT say one is better than the other. If you do, that's like saying that The Vampire Diaries is stupid but yet you like the originals, which is wrong to say when the show itself is the base for its spin off, which is, the originals. The originals seems more polished because the directors and writers had massive experience from the Vampire Diaries and new that they'd already supplied a love fuelled series with a love triangle, showing the experience of becoming supernatural and the struggles of being a teenager when going through it so they knew what they had to do to make a successful spin off.

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peapie32•

There are some highlights in later seasons which I like. I liked the whole Silas/Qetsiyah thing in season 5. It answered the question of the doppelgängers and why they look exactly alike. It also answered where the Other Side came from. Plus, I just liked seeing Katherine flounder as a human and Qetsiyah was pretty awesome. Oh! And we got Bonnie back as the anchor.

I liked the whole Markos and the travelers later in the above mentioned season as well. That answered some things that Qetsiyah had mentioned like why doppelgänger blood was important and why the travelers wanted Silas to die.

Season 6 wasn't too terrible. The beginning was like "meh". The part when Damon comes back and Elena still doesn't want to be uncompelled is annoying. Personally if I had read her diary entry I would have had Ric undo the compulsion because who doesn't want an epic love that consumes you and makes you feel alive and free??? But of course Elena was ugh!!!

I loved Kai starting in the middle of the season. Especially after he merged with Luke. He was the villain you wanted to hate but couldn't help to love. I was actually pissed after what Bonnie did to him because that ended up in his death and Jo's death (poor Alaric and his tragic love life) and well i just liked Kai!! Lol!!

So my advice.. keep watching and as someone mentioned just fast forward the parts that you don't like. 😊

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kayasawyer•

Agree with it all completely with all of it but I still think Bonnie outshines everyone. She's definitely the strongest in my opinion but never gets credit for it but idk I love her and Caroline equally.

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