Just in time for Cocktober, Howard is cock blocking Jackie according to Radar Online
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radaronline.comPosted Sep 20, 2017, 4:58 PM UTC
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radaronline.comThis smells like Jackie planting this story to get buzz for the book.
"THE BOOK STERN DIDNT WANT YOU TO READ!!!"
Seriously cant imagine Fred, Gary or Robin would want anything to do with the book without Stern having a say in it. They all feel like Jackie was out for Jackie.
Billy West should write the forward for the book in all honesty. Actually, I think I'd rather read an autobiography written from the perspective of the Jackie Puppet.
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Yeah Stern hated Jackie so much, that he gave him his own show for several years on Sirius.
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Wow you need to understand some things bub. Howard Stern put Jackie in that time slot and probably paid him 100 bucks a show to humiliate Jackie, to put him in his place.
Every time Howard promo-ed Jackie, he also included a promo for Riley. He also had their clips on the same page on his computer. That's further humiliation.
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Wow that's really reading into things. Is this Hanzi?
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Jackie walked out on the show because he wanted a lot of money. Howard giving him a low paying job to do a show nobody listened to says more about Stern than anything.
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Wasn't it Jackie's idea for the show? How much should you pay for an hour 1/week show?
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People get fired every day for posting disparaging things on social media about their employer. This isn't any different. Whether you think it is ego driven or not, it doesn't really fucking matter. This is someone that can fire you in an instant. You are free to go ahead and participate in something that your boss has asked you not to. You are also free to deal with the repercussions.
It's the way the world works, not just Howard.
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First, they weren't asked to write disparaging things. They were asked to write the foreward which is usually just pumping up the author. So it is completely different.
Second, we have no idea what is in the book. It might be 100% accurate and not all that bad for Howard.
Third, if Howard fired Robin or Fred after saying that he would never do the show without either of them just for writing some positive things about Jackie, he would be pretty much a hypocrite.
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...and they would still be out of a job. The ends are the same regardless of what type of person the boss is or what would be written. Do <this> = get fired. You still have a choice, but the result is a constant.
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How do you know what they were asked to write, specifically? Were you there? Do know someone that was there? Was it talked about somewhere?
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In the foreward by "Artie", I have heard there are no disparaging things about Howard and Jackie reportedly wrote it. And the book is supposedly not a hit piece on Howard although there are a few spots where Howard looks bad. So it is very doubtful he would ask Robin, Fred, or Gary to write anything bad about Howard.
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who are you hearing this from?
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Radar online has a bigger hard on for howard hating than this subreddit does lol
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according to jackie....
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IDK, I don't think it is Jackie. Jackie is the one guy who has pretty much taken the high road at every turn in interviews about Howard.
I believe it. Howard by his own admission can be very vindictive and, before his whitewashing of his past, admitted to fucking with Opie and Anthony's and other DJs careers behind the scenes. Of course now he claims he has never done that even though he has admitted before that he did.
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When did he start taking the high road? Jackie has been badmouthing the show in print, on audio, on television, even while he was working there. The whole "punching up scripts" persona came from this attitude Jackie always had that he was better than the show. Jackie wanted to think of himself as the guest host of every show and not just the winner of the job lottery.
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Not to mention the hotel in Florida...
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The Cardoza
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Jackie only thinks of Jackie. This is not new. Also if Stern is keeping him down then why did he let him do Joke Hunt on Sirius for years?!
Plus it sounds like you aren't acknowledging the bridge burning from Jackie in the past. I doubt Robin or Fred wanted anything to do with Jackie.
Jackie has a history of using every tacky way to plug/promote. Jackie putting out this story is more believable than it actually happening.
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I never said Howard wanted to keep Jackie down. I think Howard wants to stop Jackie from writing a book about his time on the Stern Show and he is vindictive in that way.
And I think Fred is probably closer to Jackie than Howard. By many accounts, Fred and Howard do not really like each other and their only relationship is a professional one.
And if you know Howard, Howard has the people around him trash the people he wants to trash so he can take the high road with a few exceptions. Even with Simon, he just let Mariann trash him while he tried to act above it for the longest time.
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From what I heard on the show, especially when Jackie would come on in the early Sirius years, it sounds like Fred really hated Jackie. It sounded like Jackie was just real asshole on the way out. Fred used to be under Jackie as Jackie was pushing for the head writer title on the show.
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Keep defending your shitty thread...
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Note to RadarOnline editors:
fore·word
ˈfôrˌwərd/Submit noun
a short introduction to a book, typically by a person other than the author.
synonyms: preface, introduction, prologue, preamble; More
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"However, Lange didn’t exactly write the book’s introduction, since the forward, claimed the source, is just a bunch of gracious compliments that Lange paid Martling on his podcast in 2016.
Martling, continued the insider, eventually wrote the forward, which snubs Stern, but attributed the finished product to Lange."
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Regardless of whether Howard told them they can't give Jackie a forward, Robin, Gary and others may not have even wanted to give him a forward, especially if it cuts down Stern in any way.
Think about it, would you want to do that, if it cut down someone you still currently work with...
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They might not have. But my understanding is Jackie's book is not a hit piece on Howard. It is just recounts of some of the most important moments of Jackie's time on the Stern Show from his point of view. Some of them may look Howard look bad because maybe Howard actually did things that would make him look bad. But this is not a tell all type of book and Jackie has said as much.
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The title says otherwise. Bow to Stern? Really that's not a takedown? Sure sounds like it.
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It is a play on words. Jackie has said in many interviews it isn't going to be a hit piece and anyone looking for dirt will be disappointed. If it was a hit piece, why would he say that in interviews. It guarantees lower book sales.
He does say he will address his falling out with Howard which probably will not put Howard in a good light, but that is only a small part of the book.
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Maybe he will talk about The Joke Hunt being canceled.
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Bow to Stern. It is a nautical pun. Bow to Stern means front to bank (Jackie's career from start to finish) but Stern is also the name of the employer who made him most famous. There is no "takedown" there.
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You don't know what legal shit is going on behind the scenes. This makes perfect sense from a business stand point.
Artie didn't even write that forward. Jackie wrote it himself using quotes from 2016. If Artie doesn't even want to get involved, that should say something.
Would you want your team to help someone write a book that's going to talk shit about you?
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There is rumors that Artie wrote the foreword and it was incoherent and Jackie wrote it himself with Artie's permission. Artie had to give his permission to be included in the book even if he didn't write it.
And again, Jackie said it isn't a tell all. It is just his recounts of his history just like Quivers: A Life was which had stuff that made Howard look bad like how she felt he fucked her over when he took the job at KROCK when they refused to hire Robin at first.
If you do an accurate recount of the history of Jackie's time on the Stern Show, there is more likely than not stuff that makes Howard look like a douche.
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what rumors? where?
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Radio Gunk (yeah, I know people here trash them, but they are connected including to Jackie) said that Artie did write something that was incoherent and Jackie rewrote it.
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My best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who’s going with a girl who saw Ferris pass-out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it’s pretty serious.
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Let's see. Your boss doesn't want you to contribute to a project written by a semi-disgruntled ex-employee. One that any of the people involved haven't particularly stayed in touch with.
Any of them are free to do it if they want.
Howards other faults aside, this one isn't even worth talking about. Jackie can just get another famous ex-employee to write it.
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How do you know that none of the staff haven't stayed in touch with. It is my understanding that Jackie still talks to a lot of the Stern staff and have seen at least a few of them socially in recent years.
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I was thinking Howard, Fred, Gary and Robin. Maybe I should have said aren't best friends. Splitting hairs. Nobody has to listen to Howard if they don't want to.
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It's funny some people are defending Howard by saying that Robin, Fred, and Gary had no fear of repercussions by Howard and others are saying Howard would definitely fire them and he has every right to. My head is spinning with all the defenses.
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I said no such thing. They can do what they want and so can he. Employment at will.
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What staff is left from 2001? Gary, Fred, Robin. None of them seems to keen to talk to Jackie...with or without Howard's permission.
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The forward and the entire book is already written. He got the bloated junkie to write the forward doubt it matters really. He just got Grillo and the Stuttering Hack to contribute. The book will a mediocre seller amongst people who still give a shit anymore.
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How is Howard acting vindictive here? God forbid he should not want his coworkers to write the forward to book that "doesn't portray him in a positive light."
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Oh the outrage of Jackie being out for Jackie, why not? Howie is the same way.
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When Jackie has doing Joke Hunt (get it?!?!) and would visit the studio as a guest, Robin and Fred seemed perplexed as to why Howard even gave Jackie a show. Fred seemed downright insulted that Jackie was even around. Robin details her lunch with Jackie as the worst afternoon of her life. I'm not sure either Robin or Fred would have to be told not to help Jackie. Neither of them seem to like Jackie.
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I believe it..I remember Artie saying that they wouldn't let the publisher BUY ad time on the show for Crash & Burn.
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The Jackie book based off title alone is gonna be a bit of a hit piece, of course Howard doesn't want anyone on his staff going near that thing, and you really can't blame him or pin this down to any psychological issues he may have.
To me this is a matter of loyalty to the guy who is giving you a living, and any current staff member really shouldn't consider going near that book unless they're planning on leaving.
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That's a reasonable way to look at it. But you know that Howard in his current state is torn up over the prospect that the way he really behaved in the early days is gonna be exposed. I can just see him going off on some screaming tirade in that enormous empty Palm Beach mansion like Daniel Day Lewis at the end of "There Will Be Blood" while Beth blankly covers herself with a dozen traumatized kittens.
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I'm not really sure how Howard would feel about the book, but it's not going to be a positive reaction. Either way you can't blame him, Jackie is writing a book that is gonna be down on Stern. Why would Stern want ANY of his staff and workers consigning a book like that? I can't believe Jackie would even consider asking Gary, Robin or Fred. I personally wouldn't give them the satisfaction of saying the obvious no.
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Sure
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However, Lange didn’t exactly write the book’s introduction, since the foreword, claimed the source, is just a bunch of gracious compliments that Lange paid Martling on his podcast in 2016.
Artie didn't even actually lift a finger for the book either.
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Why the hell is there a link in that article to John Mellencamps interview?
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Howard is a hypocrite and believes in freedom of speech only for himself. He hates when someone tries to do something that HE doesn't approve of.
His hate of Jackie is illogical. Jackie was let go because he wanted more money - something Howard has always done. He goes out of his way to make fun of Jackie's lack of success after the show.
When Stuttering John left for Leno's show, it was for like a 5x increase in pay. John was given an opportunity that Howard would never have provided. He couldn't be happy for John so he passive-aggressively took it out on Jay and excommunicated John from THSS.
THSS became a success not just because of Howard. While he's very talented, a lot of the fun and resulting success of the show was from the contributions of others (Robin, Fred, Jackie, Gary, SJ, Artie etc.). He's made tons of money and yet is still petty towards the people that are a big part of his success.
If Howard didn't want to write the foreward - no big deal. But telling others to not help Jackie is petty and vindictive.
You seem to be living in a different universe where Stuttering John was "excommunicated" for hiding a job offer from everyone until the two week vacation he would take and not come back to the show from. John tried so hard to leave on a bad note so it would be easier and that wasn't the case at all. Howard kept in touch and kept having dinner with John until his buck dried up and needed some attention so he went on Carolla to bad mouth Howard. John also was attacking CBS during that tirade but no one ever mentions that. John was just frantically slinging shit at any target he thought would get his name back in the papers. This "excommunicated" bullshit is seriously baffling me that more than one idiot here agreed with you.
Your last argument is the most delusional part of the piece. All those people, were nothing without Howard. You can be as nice as you want about it but Howard would of found a janitor to make entertaining (he did btw, Ted the Janitor). The delusion is people think Howard NEEDS them when he doesn't.
Honestly it sounds like Grillo started typing for you.
He needs them now. The show is fucking awful!
Well you're in this special bubble as a super fan and solicitor of the Howard Stern sub which caters to less than 1% of his audience. I imagine a lot of people believe having fifty year old Grillo and Stuttering John back will make the show as funny as it was in 1996
I think their are a number of people that you could put in there to make a significant difference. Do you like when Howard's going solo on his agent bit? He needs someone to bounce off of
And you have the nerve to call other people delusional?
I can only go by what they say on the radio. If you would like to listen to it yourself, you can go listen to the Stuttering John freak out from Carolla and get back to me. If you want to argue that you somehow are specially aware that Howard was luring about that then I simply can't waste any time with that nonsense.
You're conveniently leaving out that Howard bashed the shit out of John multiple times before John went on Carolla. , you're also leaving out that the only reason they had any contact was because their wives were friends. Also, what John said on Carolla isn't even that bad, especially compared to what Howard had said about him.
You sound like someone who defends Opie. So he gave these people their shot at fulfilling their potential. I think that if it wasn't Howard, it would be someone else who brought Jackie or Artie or anyone else to the mainstream.
Reading this article, I lean toward believing it because it makes sense when considering all the ways Howard has gone off the rails on his show in such an egotistical and paranoid way. You can't seriously say that Howard is a well adjusted accepting 60 something year old man. No, we're talking about a man who wears a black poodle wig, has a wife with a pretty creepy cat obsession, and is incredibly delusional.
You're not listening to the same show as I am. Don't address me as such
He needs someone. The show has always been at its best when the crew is interacting. Howard by himself really isn't very funny.
Again, that's just one opinion from the internet. But hey, those people that call in or send emails saying they enjoyed the show aren't real, right?
When Jackie asked for more money, he asked Viacom, not Howard. The KROCK days aren't like the Sirius days. Howard didn't control the purse strings. Jackie asked for more money, CBS/Viacom said no, Jackie held out and Howard was pissed that Jackie would essentially strike. At that point Jackie had no one going to bat for him and CBS/Viacom didn't resign him.
When Howard went to Sirius, Howard gave Jackie a show. Jackie had years to turn that show into a career and couldn't. Why? Because Jackie is a hacky comic who thinks if you don't laugh at his jokes, something is wrong with you.
But go ahead and buy his book. I'm sure it'll be full of fun facts, like the time he coined the word "oral." Yes, that's something he claimed on his radio show and I'm sure it'll be in the book.
I seem to remember Howard insinuating that he gave back some of his money to get Jackie a raise once or twice also...before he finally got fed up & let him walk the last time (& refusing to take him back)
Stern's a narc and hypocrisy is pretty much second nature to them.
Per Stern and I quote:
'The only way to get a raise in radio is to like threaten to leave.' Howard Stern DC101 1982
Source: Howard Stern 1982 Day after Robin left DC101 | https://youtu.be/rkVdqG8NBV8
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