Major Auckland Iwi supports Winston Peters' election port promise
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stuff.co.nzPosted Sep 28, 2017, 3:00 AM UTC
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stuff.co.nzSure it's possible if the water is deep enough at the new ports location. But it's still going to cost tens of billions. There is foreign interest in ports in NZ. So don't be surprised if German owned giant Maersk try to take over as they've tried before to aquure Tauranga in the past and still pose heavy interest in a take over. then when operations are in foreign control and àll the profits are going over seas, the port is operated by another foreign company/contractor (just as Port CHCH tried to do, until port Otago stepped in and brought a controlling share), cutting out NZ businesses and staff. will the NZ government fund the move of a private company? most likely, it's Auckland. Yet port Otago has spend hundreds of millions upgrading their terminals lately out of their pocket.
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fyi Maersk is Danish
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Maersk is a Danish company.
I could be missing something, but where does the German part comes in?
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sorry it comes from the merge between Maersk and Hamburg Sud
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Maersk bought Hamburg Sud actually.
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yea I know all the details. Maersk and HSD are both my main clients. As they must operate as individual companies to avoid running a monopoly.
But the reason I say Maersk is because they have already taken interest, and Tauranga is already Maersk's main port in NZ, they wanted to take it over. Then they discussed building their own port, and later put it all on hold. This could be the opportunity they need to break in. I don't know if other shipping lines have taken any interest in owning a port in the country as my other clients (PIL, MOL, OOCL) have not said a word about it. Of course we have Cosco and Hapag Loyd who are other big players who may have interest, but have not expressed it to my knowledge.
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Given the current landscape of international players I think Cosco would be more likely than MSK. They are agreesively expanding and I wouldnt be surprised to see the try to consolidate their strength in the pacific.
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that is very well possible also. their presence in NZ had not gone unnoticed and their volume is increasing.
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Where's that place in the poster btw? 😀
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Michael Joseph Savage Memorial Park? If not, somewhere out on Tamaki Drive
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Thanks. I think you're right.
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The trucking companies are going to love having to carry the import and export freight for nearly 2 million people several hundred kilometres extra. They shouldn't commit to anything without a feasibility study.
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Trains and coastal ships are used for a lot of down country distribution already. TOLL has a rail station directly into their warehouse in Auckland. I'm sure others would be linked as well already.
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An in-land port is being built out east of hamilton at the moment, to be connected to rail and the new expressway
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? I'm imagining boats somehow moving over land to get to hamilton.
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Chitty chitty bang bang motherfucker!
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Yeah but why would you run all that stuff through Auckland instead of putting it at Port Waikato or further south and just have Northland goods going through instead of most of the rest of the country's goods?
Northland needs jobs, totally, but build the ird or study link call centres there or some shit.
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It comes down to logistical trade offs, provincial dispersement/redundancy and maritime accessibility. Whangarei could be mostly Auckland's port of access while Waikato ports could be for down country with redundancy due to available capacity.
Not everything is going to go through Whangarei. Just get it out of downtown Auckland. It's dumb there. It's like having your delivery entrance on your otherwise magnificent front deck (which is already crowded).
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Nah it would only be feasible if they upgraded the rail at the same time. Winnie's wants that too.
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Lol just a few days ago everyone here was saying winnie was mental for wanting to move the port. How quickly things change when nzf is needed to prop up a government.
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Can you point to this thread you speak of? I missed it.
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Link
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Genuine question, what is the point of moving it? Surely it makes sense for the biggest port to be in the biggest city in the country? What are the benefits of moving operations out of Auckland?
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Thing is that Auckland central is kind of a terrible place to truck stuff out of since you're taking everything from the most busy parts of the city. Imagine how many hours of trucks driving is wasted every morning and afternoon in rush hour Auckland traffic.
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The big thing for me is that it sits on some of the most valuable real estate in the country. Moreover it will not hurt to spread out economic production across the country instead of having everything in Auckland.
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Exactly. Stop making Auckland where all the jobs are and it'll ease some of the housing pressure and liven up other areas.
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I agree, and I'm from Auckland. I'd like to see more parts of New Zealand get a fairer slice of the economic pie.
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Ports around the world are increasing dramatically in size to handle container traffic, larger ships, associated industries, ect. Auckland port has no room to expand to meet foreseeable demand and developments in the shipping industry.
In pretty much every major port city in the world, this has resulted in Downtown ports from the 19th - 20th century being abandoned by cargo and cargo freight moving to new built ports on the periphery of the City where they have plenty of space to expand and aren't choked by the CBD. In most cases the downtown legacy port gets renovated into a tourism port and waterfront entertainment area.
That said Northland is one of the options for moving the port, but by no means confirmed as the best one yet. A LOT of study needs to be done into what is the ideal location to build the new port: transport links, geology, weather conditions, ecological effects, cultural heritage, ect.
Winston promising it will be built in Northland isn't something he can reasonably do; sure it would be a great boost for Northland's economy as an employment and industry boost, but one has to balance human political factors with economic and environmental ones. You can't just go ahead and say "We shall build it here, it may be on a faultline and volcano, and it will cause huge ecological damage, and wipe out historical cultural sites, and is too far from the city to be an economic benefit.... but at least it creates jobs for my Electorate area!"
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Tauranga is also reaching it's limits and they have little room to expand. Also the city is even more poorly planned than Auckland in my opinion
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Tauranga wasn't planned as a large city, it just kinda sprawled.
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Sounds like every NZ city
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I dunno, port of Timaru has a thing or two going for it.
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Logistics, operations research.
Did you ever try to get a physical object from a to b via port of Auckland?
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It really is quite disappointing to go all the way to the viaduct and have your only real view of the ocean, from the sea level, obstructed by an ugly port. You're in the CBD and want to have lunch whule looking at the Ocean? Tough shit. A stupid reason, but I dunno.
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The port at Marsden Point is the only natural deepwater one in NZ, so there's that. There's hundreds of ha of land that's zoned appropriately surrounding it - it's not hemmed by a city. It's currently way way underutilised. Storage for importers is a ton cheaper in Northland. Some people I know already transport their bulk stuff from the Auckland port to Northland to store and then back down to Auckland when it's sold - cheaper than having storage in Auckland.
And there's a lack of sitting in queues for transport operators.
The big limitation is the shit transport corridors between Northland and Auckland, but those have to be sorted out anyway, whether or not Northport is used to its capacity.
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It's a question of growth as much as location. The port is at capacity. So if Auckland keeps growing how do you keep supplying it? Commercially the northport upgrade looks good if the government pays for the rail upgrade.
It's a medium term solution while ports of Auckland sorts out a long term solution.
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If it was in a better location (like if the Manukau was better suited) then sure.
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If it's doable and financially viable then I'm all for it.