Vegas line movements for week 9

After seeing u/8mileallstars weekly player prop post, I figured I'd start a weekly line movement post if enough people like it. since this is the first post, I'll explain a few terms and then get into the analysis. If you're familiar with this, skip to the week 9 summary part. I think one of the most underrated parts of DFS is watching where sharp bettors put their money.

Two terms I'll be using regularly is reverse line movement (RLM) and sharp money. Reverse line movement occurs when the line moves towards a certain side of bets but has significantly less bets on that side. For example, if a games O/U is set at 50 and 85% of the bets are on the over yet the line moves down to 48, this would be considered RLM. How does this happen? Let's say there's 100 people betting on this instance. 85 of the 100 bet $1 on the over, I.e 85% of the bets. The other 15% of people bet $10 on the under, i.e 15% of the bets. These people betting larger sums of money typically are much sharper and may even do it for a living. As you can see, although 85% bet the over, the total amount bet on the under is $150 compared to $85. The Vegas books will aim to limit their total exposure to one side and lower the O/U line, enticing people to bet the over at, for example, 48.

Sharp money is very similar - let's say 80% of people bet the over at $1 each, the other 20% bet $4 each on the under. Although 80% bet the over, the line doesn't move since there's an equal $ amount on both sides. The under would be where the sharp money is.

That being said, let's get into week 9.

The DAL/KC game is amongst the most intriguing. The O/U opened at 51 and while 67% bet the under, the line moved up a whopping 3 pts, which is a huge RLM. Take this with a grain of salt, however, as a good portion of the line movement came Friday, which I think is most likely due in big part to the announcement Zeke was eligible to play. All of the 3 pts implied team total increase belongs to DAL, FWIW.

The NO/TB game has seen a 2 pt increase in the O/U to 52, yet only has 44% of the bets (RLM).This is the second highest total of the week. TB is 7 pt dogs, might be interesting to get a piece of their pass game if you think they'll be chasing all game.

BAL/TN looks to be low scoring at only 43 for the O/U. However, 73% of the bets have been on the under yet the line hasn't moved. Good indication of sharp money on the over.

ATL/CAR is one of the most intriguing games in terms of teams favored goes. ATL Opened the week as 2 pt dogs and with the bets being split 50/50, ATL is now favored by 2.5. That's a massive amount of sharp money on ATL. Does Julio finally get it going this week? Who knows.

Won't comment on HOU/INDY, quite obvious the line would move towards INDY once Watson went down with the ACL injury. Make your own assumptions in terms of game flow there.

If this has been helpful or if you want me to touch on anything else, please comment below. Sorry If the formatting is awful, as I do just about everything on mobile. Good luck in week 9.

Posted Nov 4, 2017, 5:42 PM UTC · edited

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Hova222•

Great stuff man. This is my first season playing DFS and I am really trying to understand the Vegas Lines side of it. I use the website Pinnacle for Vegas Lines. This post helped me to understand the RLM and Sharp money. Please continue to do posts like this. What website do you use to see this type of information?

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GenericMale21OP•

Fantasy labs.. I have a subscription but I believe their Vegas dashboard (where I got the info from) is free.

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jmac_33•

Yep it is. Wonder how long it’ll stay free.

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tgr31•

There are plenty of places to find them

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Danno127•

That was the clearest explanation I’ve seen on RLM. Much appreciated, keep it up!

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Sunoversnow•

This is awesome man, thanks! Very helpful

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shack026•

Thanks so much. This is super useful!

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oIFIFeNSe•

I'm gonna let the line movement plus the gm street podcast I just listened to steer me towards maclin. Mike Lombardi has gone 4-1 predicting games and started the Baltimore offense making plays downtown as the catalyst for them potentially pulling off the upset. Mike Wallace is Mike Wallace so maybe 3% tourney exposure?

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krdonnie•

Very interesting about Atlanta. I want to jump on somewhere, but they sure make it tough. Julio is still not easy to fit in a week with awful RB value, and their other receivers are sketchy as always. Panthers rush D is strong, although I potentially like going through Coleman to potentially get the savings necessary to add Julio.

The ticket here, of course, is Matt Ryan.

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GenericMale21OP•

Worth following Freeman's injury news. I think Coleman got close to same number of touches as freeman last week and might get the same work this week if freeman isn't 100%. He's only going to be 3-5% owned and if ATL is a favorite, it might bode well for the run game if ATL gets out early and Cam can't get anything going. Obv lots of ifs but I think I'll prob have some Coleman exposure, although small, FWIW.

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krdonnie•

Even if they go 50/50 split, I don't think it'll be a smash, Coleman doesn't get RZ work, like 20% of the carries inside the 20 and 10 and 10% inside the 5.

Love his explosiveness to get you a big play, but unless he gets full shares, he's not cheap enough to be a strong play without a TD.

All that said, I'll probably run him out there to fill either Julio or with Sanu and a high priced RB and good WR like a Thomas or Dez.

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GenericMale21OP•

3 catches for 30 yards and 50 yards rushing seems like a pretty safe floor and that's already relatively close to value.. I agree the upside is lacking but it's a decent value play if you're looking to jam expensive studs.

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krdonnie•

Just got that TD

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Ejoseph1•

Do one for FanDuel

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GenericMale21OP•

Do what for FanDuel? The line movements are for every DFS Gametype. You mean you want me to do a fanduel write up?

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cutler2017mvp•

sharps don't bet during the week, their shit goes in just before the game. analysing line movements during the week doesn't tell us anything about them

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GenericMale21OP•

This is 100% false. Some sharp action does usually come in late, but they grab equity whenever it exists. If a line opens too low, you don't think they're hammering it to get it to where it should be?

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oIFIFeNSe•

Exactly, sharps see lines they like and jump on them. Doesn't matter at what point in the week

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