Recovery from traumatic brain injury??

Exactly 3 weeks ago I fell off my skateboard and suffered serious TBI.

I was unconscious for 20 seconds,fractured my skull, and have a blood clot on my brain. I have no memory for 2-3 days after the injury.

Was in the hospital for over a week.

What should I take?

I currently take:

  • Aspirin 100mg daily (prescribed this to dissolve my blood clot)

  • Dexamphetamine 10mg (a few times a week to treat ADHD)

  • Fish Oil

  • Mangesium Citrate

  • Life Extension two per day multivitamin (I usually only take one)

I'm considering CDP Choline (Citicoline), Lions Mane, and Creatine.

Thanks!

Posted Nov 17, 2017, 4:35 AM UTC · edited

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utopicnootropic•

those are great choices already!

undoubedtly the best thing to take is creatine. NAC is also super super good for recovery and theres impressive studies out there for both.

it also really depends on your symptoms a lot. For example, lions mane will help with your memory, lithium orotate will help with emotional issues, creatine will help with brain fog and brain fatigue, coq10 will help with headaches, NAC will help your brain cope with the oxidative stress, etc.

I have lived it, Ive had 4 concussions and I was asking the same thing once, these choices are from my experiences with what helps. Im so sorry to hear about your TBI :(

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Gellertte•

Careful with lithium, it is often prescribed willy-nilly and it has some nasty side effects, such as emotional numbness, weight gain, kidney issues, etc...

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utopicnootropic•

Yes, you’re absolutely correct about that, which to me is who it’s perfect. Being a concussion suffered myself, it’s the only thing that really helps the emotional disturbance it brings

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Gellertte•

Yeah, you're definitely right, it's the reason it's prescribed in the first place. Still, it often does a bit more thorough work on turning off emotions than expected.

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biohackislife•

Piracetam and CDP-Choline have been clinically studied in various types of head injuries.

Eksp Klin Farmakol. 2003 Jul-Aug;66(4):6-8. Effect of Piracetam on the color discriminative function of retina in patients with craniocerebral trauma.

The chronic administration of piracetam over a period of four weeks in patients after heavy craniocerebral traumas significantly improves the color discrimination of retina with respect to all four colors studied. It is suggested that the improved functioning is related to the nootrope effect upon the GABAergic processes both in the retina and in the related cerebral structures.

Neurol Neurochir Pol 1998 Sep-Oct;32(5):1189-97 Piracetam in severe cranio-cerebral injuries

A group of 100 patients treated immediately following a cranio-cerebral injury was analyzed. The patients, administered piracetam either in an intravenous infusion (GCS 3-8) or orally (GCS above 9), were divided into groups depending on the dose and clinical status. Piracetam participates in the activity of the majority of neurotransmitters, increases glucose and oxygen consumption in the ischaemic nervous tissue and increases blood flow through cerebral terminal vessels. In cranio-cerebral injuries, piracetam is employed to achieve cytoprotection and improve cerebral blood flow. In patients with neurological deterioration following the administration of 6-10 mg/day, no good results were obtained. A dose of 24-30 mg/day had a significant positive effect on therapeutic results providing certain conditions were met, such as ensuring proper partial oxygen pressure (oxygen therapy) and proper blood glucose levels. The use of piracetam is justified immediately after an injury; after the discharge oral piracetam therapy is recommended.

Przegl Lek 1999;56(2):119-20 Clinical observations concerning piracetam treatment of patients after craniocerebral injury

Piracetam (Nootropil) is a cytoprotective to brain tissue and improving cerebral blood flow medicine. In the Department of Neurotraumatology we investigated results of piracetam treatment in a group of 100 succeeding patients admitted between 1995-96 due to craniocerebral injury. High doses (24-30 g per day) of this medicine have a positive effect on final result of treatment, when treatment is initiated immediately after the injury and described conditions are abided. We also showed usefulness of piracetam treatment in posthospital management.

Zh Nevropatol Psikhiatr Im S S Korsakova 1988;88(5):42-8 Effect of piracetam on the functional activity of the brain in patients with craniocerebral injuries

Repetitive EEG spectral analysis in 32 patients after severe of mild head trauma revealed two types of responses to Piracetam evidencing the ambiguity of its effect on unspecific activating brain structures. Besides the brain cortex, the hypothalamo-thalamic system was found to participate in the response. With epileptoid signs present in the EEG, the drug could reduce the seizure threshold.

Eur Neurol 1978;17(1):50-5 Piracetam in the treatment of post-concussional syndrome. A double-blind study.

The effect of piracetam, a cyclical derivative of GABA, was compared with that of a placebo in a double-blind study of 60 patients with post-concussional syndrome of 2-12 months' duration. The daily dose of piracetam was 4,800 mg. After 8 weeks of treatment piracetam significantly reduced the occurrence and severity of the following symptoms: vertigo, headache, tiredness, decreased alertness, increased sweating and neurasthenic symptoms. No significant effect was observed on the following symptoms: tremor, orthostatic symptoms, and memory disorders. Side effect were reported by 64% of the patients under piracetam and by 32% under placebo. In the author's opinion, piracetam seems to be a promising new drug for the treatment of post-concussional syndrome.

Acta Anaesthesiol Belg 1975 Apr;26(1):51-60 Clinical trial of piracetam in disorders of consciousness due to head injury.

The authors first remind some toxicological and some pharmacological properties of piracetam (Nootropil), then present the results of a test giving evidence of the presence of this drug in the cerebrospinal fluid after intravenous administration to man. In a double blind study, the activity of piracetam is tested on 31 patients suffering from coma after head injury. Only 27 patients without intracranial space occupying lesions are taken into account. Methods and results are described. Piracetam, although showing no activity on mortality, improves the level of consciousness.

Methods Find Exp Clin Pharmacol 1995 Oct;17 Suppl B:1-54 CDP-choline: pharmacological and clinical review.

Cytidine 5'-diphosphocholine, CDP-choline or citicoline, is an essential intermediate in the biosynthetic pathway of the structural phospholipids of cell membranes, especially in that of phosphatidylcholine. Upon oral or parenteral administration, CDP-choline releases its two principle components, cytidine and choline. When administered orally, it is absorbed almost completely, and its bioavailability is approximately the same as when administered intravenously. Once absorbed, the cytidine and choline disperse widely throughout the organism, cross the blood-brain barrier and reach the central nervous system (CNS), where they are incorporated into the phospholipid fraction of the membrane and microsomes. CDP-choline activates the biosynthesis of structural phospholipids in the neuronal membranes, increases cerebral metabolism and acts on the levels of various neurotransmitters. Thus, it has been experimentally proven that CDP-choline increases noradrenaline and dopamine levels in the CNS. Due to these pharmacological activities, CDP-choline has a neuroprotective effect in situations of hypoxia and ischemia, as well as improved learning and memory performance in animal models of brain aging. Furthermore, it has been demonstrated that CDP-choline restores the activity of mitochondrial ATPase and of membranal Na+/K+ ATPase, inhibits the activation of phospholipase A2 and accelerates the reabsorption of cerebral edema in various experimental models. CDP-choline is a safe drug, as toxicological tests have shown; it has no serious effects on the cholinergic system and it is perfectly tolerated. These pharmacological characteristics, combined with CDP-choline's mechanisms of action, suggest that this drug may be suitable for the treatment of cerebral vascular disease, head trauma of varying severity and cognitive disorders of diverse etiology. In studies carried out on the treatment of patients with head trauma, CDP-choline accelerated the recovery from post-traumatic coma and the recuperation of walking ability, achieved a better final functional result and reduced the hospital stay of these patients, in addition to improving the cognitive and memory disturbances which are observed after a head trauma of lesser severity and which constitute the disorder known as postconcussion syndrome. In the treatment of patients with acute cerebral vascular disease of the ischemic type, CDP-choline accelerated the recovery of consciousness and motor deficit, attaining a better final result and facilitating the rehabilitation of these patients. The other important use for CDP-choline is in the treatment of senile cognitive impairment, which is secondary to degenerative diseases (e.g., Alzheimer's disease) and to chronic cerebral vascular disease. In patients with chronic cerebral ischemia, CDP-choline improves scores on cognitive evaluation scales, while in patients with senile dementia of the Alzheimer's type, it slows the disease's evolution. Beneficial neuroendocrine, neuroimmunomodulatory and neurophysiological effects have been described. CDP-choline has also been shown to be effective as co-therapy for Parkinson's disease. No serious side effects have been found in any of the groups of patients treated with CDP-choline, which demonstrates the safety of the treatment.

Life Sci 1995;56(9):637-60 Metabolism and actions of CDP-choline as an endogenous compound and administered exogenously as citicoline.

Weiss GB. M. Hurley & Associates, Inc., Murray Hill, New Jersey 07974-1584.

CDP-choline, supplied exogenously as citicoline, has beneficial physiological actions on cellular function that have been extensively studied and characterized in numerous model systems. As the product of the rate-limiting step in the synthesis of phosphatidylcholine from choline, CDP-choline and its hydrolysis products (cytidine and choline) play important roles in generation of phospholipids involved in membrane formation and repair. They also contribute to such critical metabolic functions as formation of nucleic acids, proteins, and acetylcholine. Orally-administered citicoline is hydrolyzed in the intestine, absorbed rapidly as choline and cytidine, resynthesized in liver and other tissues, and subsequently mobilized in CDP-choline synthetic pathways. Citicoline is efficiently utilized in brain cells for membrane lipid synthesis where it not only increases phospholipid synthesis but also inhibits phospholipid degradation. Exogenously administered citicoline prevents, reduces, or reverses effects of ischemia and/or hypoxia in most animal and cellular models studied, and acts in head trauma models to decrease and limit nerve cell membrane damage, restore intracellular regulatory enzyme sensitivity and function, and limit edema. Thus, considerable accumulated evidence supports use of citicoline to enhance membrane maintenance, membrane repair, and neuronal function in conditions such as ischemic and traumatic injuries. Beneficial effects of exogenous citicoline also have been postulated and/or reported in experimental models for dyskinesia, Parkinson's disease, cardiovascular disease, aging, Alzheimer's disease, learning and memory, and cholinergic stimulation.

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Ducky181•

I hope your doing alright TBI can be a horrible experience however since Its only been 3 weeks when the injury occurred you have plenty of time to recover it takes about 6 months for the brain swelling and inflammation to go down and during this time your brain should engage in dramatic repair process I believe that the importance of eating healthy and maintaining active during this period is critical to this, after 6 months Creatine, Ritalin NAC and Bacopa have all been studied to improve performance regarding post TBI. I have also experienced TBI though several serious migraines I can understand the situation.

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wolframite•

Three years ago, u/YouAreWhatYouEet posted the post-concussion stack prescribed by his physician:

The prescribed stack he posted here:

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2 caplets of each, twice daily:

  • Choline - 250mg
  • Phosphatidylserine - 75mg
  • Curcumin - 300mg
  • Alpha lipoic acid - 150mg
  • EGCG - 150mg
  • Vitamin C - 500mg
  • E - 400mg
  • D - 1000iu
  • B1 - 75mg
  • B50 complex - 25mg
  • A + zinc formula

The rest are daily dosage, spread throughout the day:

  • Fish oil* - 8-10,000mg
  • Creatine - 20,000mg first 5 days, 10,00mg proceeding 5 days
  • Soy lecithin - 20,000mg

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    • I would make sure the 'fish oil' has at least 85% long-chain Omega 3's

KONKUSSION https://www.konkussion.com is a Canadian clinic that specializes in treating concussions. One of the key neurosurgeons is Dr. Neilank Jha:

Canadian concussion doctor on mission to make things right: Feschuk

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seztomabel•

You seem to be on the right track. The only the I'd be careful about is things interacting with the blood clot.

I'd consider adding an adaptogen like ashwagandha for overall stress. Maybe supplements focused on mitochondrial function. Oh, and microdosing psilocybin.

Meditation and exercise, cardio in particular increases neurogenesis.
Normalize your sleep/circadian rhythm. Sleep enough. Maybe consider melatonin for a bit.

Gingko biloba also is worth looking into.

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mobuckets1OP•

Thanks.

I have definitely been more depressed and anxious than usual. Have had crazy moods which have included severe depression.

For overall health should I go add ashwagandha or gingko biloba.. or both?

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seztomabel•

I would add things one at a time to see how you respond. Gingko also increases bloodflow to the brain, so you might want to hold off for awhile considering the blood clot.

I've suffered a few TBI, though not quite as intense as you described yours. Depression and anxiety are common effects, and I've dealt with them as well. I'd use the experience as a reason to do all of the things you know to be good for overall health. Get your sleep, diet, exercise, stress management, social interactions, etc all dialed in as best you can. Of course prioritize rest and recovery, don't be too hard on yourself, but do what you can to get those things right.

Also while TBI isn't well researched, there is some evidence in the direction that you can recover fully.

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utopicnootropic•

take lithium orotate!! It will increase the gray matter in your brain and prevent the mood swings. Its super cheap, 7 cents a pill on Amazon. I promise this is what will help you, I could not be more sure

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Nobody35593•

Semax, Royal Jelly, Uridine, CDP Choline, Creatine, and LLLT if you can afford it, and lay off the stims for now.

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seztomabel•

+1 for uridine.

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Gellertte•

I hope you get well soon, sorry to hear about your trauma. The fact that you started the healing process very early after the incindent is really good for you since it's considered that the effects are better the earlier the treatment starts (neuroplasticity window or someting like that).

Lion's Mane is a really good choice of a nootropic. It's a good mood/neuroplasticity booster. Will also give you nice dreams.

You also might want to look into the following stuff.

  • Piracetam + choline might be a good nootropic tandem. Piracetam was an original drug for TBIs.
  • Aminos: glycine (very mild, cheap and with no side effects other than improved sleep).
  • Q10 also wouldn't hurt (especially in tandem with magnesium).
  • Vitamins: a good multivitamine with properly presented B group (especially PP and folic acid). These might also be taken in shots which might increase their bioavailability. Though pills are ok as well, just take care not to overdose.

Hace you considered herbs?

  • Gotu Kola + Ginkgo Biloba - these prevent blood clotting, so take care if you are taking anything else thinning blood (like the aspirin you mentioned). These might give a boost to your memory, stop hedaches (even persistent migraines) and maybe provide some mild help with that blood clot of yours.
  • Blueberry (extract or lots of berries). Some people I know swear on it mildly downregulating blood clotting. An improved eyesight might be an extra benefit from this one. It also is reported to have some nootropic effects (really mild ones, such as slightly improved clarity for a couple of hrs with no cumulative effect).
  • Tonic herbs: Rhodiola (is considered a mood booster and a headaches remedy, some people get paradoxical hedaches from it), Ginseng (only in winter, preferably in the mornings), Eleuthero (only in the mornings, for energy and circulation benefits).
  • In particular, Ginseng + Royal Jelly (Bee) have been used in China in the cases of brain injuries. They have such combination tonic even today. And my mom used this one after she had cerebral infarction. And she got better.
  • In case you get sleep problems: Scullcap (relaxing and calming effect), Melissa (relaxing and nootropic), Bupleurum (calming and relaxing, good for sleep, with an extra benefit of liver cleansing). Stay away from Valerian, though. It can deteriorate one's memory pretty fast even without any injuries.

Also you might want to consider (for healing purposes, not for pure nootropic benefit):

  • Shilajit (Himalayan or Afganistanian). The way my relatives have been using it for, like, ages, it promotes healing of anything broken or inflamed. Also might be worth it with blood clots (this purely anecdotal from an aunt who had blood clots in her legs and underwent extremely long and exruciating therapy, she swore that it was Shilajit that has sped things up, finally. I can't wouch, of course, since she was taking tons of other stuff in parallel, still that's her take on this stuff).
  • Calcium + Vitamin D - these would not act as nootropics but might speed up healing of the fractured bones.
  • Also no alcohol whatsoever for, like a half-year at least. Healthy brain function is for your life and fun is for one evening.
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mobuckets1OP•

Unfortunately I did very stupidly didn't start the healing process until about 3 weeks after the injury :(

I'm on my way now though.

Thanks a lot.

I'm going to order some pricetam and eat lots of blueberries. Thanks

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