Finally tried 3-FMA

I've had 3-FMA sitting in my collection for a while.

Preamble

There are a handful of chems I know I like and I often just go back to them repeatedly. I still like to make acqusitions, though. This means I have a number of chems in my stable that I've yet to even try. :/ 3-FMA is one of them. (I know someone will ask: my regular go-to chems are 2-FMA, 4-FA, 3-FPM, 3-MMC. As for the stable? That list is too long to put here.)

But last weekend I was in the mood for something different. I read back over some of my research on 3-FMA and decided to give it a go.

The Prep and Deciding the Dose

After the usual reagent and allergy test, I settled on 40 mg for my initial dose. I wasn't looking for anything too intense. In fact, I wanted to get some stuff done that day and I was hoping it would be a productive stim. I was hoping 40 mg would be right in the sweet spot.

The Drop

40 mg was dosed orally at 12:30 pm. I added some of the rollsafe.org regimen. I usually do with empathogens or stims, though I know it's more important for the former. I also used citrulline malate (6-7g) and 90 mg pycnogenol for vasoconstriction, though I'm not sure if 3-FMA even needs it for me.

The Goods

Boy is this stuff smooth at that dose. It was definitely noticeable, but not hard on the system at all. The come-up took about 40 minutes. A warm light empathetic buzz sets in and sustains itself very well. Decisive mood-brightening. A little bit of an energetic push, but not really any heart rate increase.

No sweating; nice! Many stims cause increased sweating for me, but that didn't happen for 3-FMA. This may be dose-dependent or a fluke...my sweat response always varies anyway. It just felt very cerebral to me...the body side was pretty limited. That can definitely be a positive! No pupil dilation, but I rarely get that from anything. I could definitely pass out among the muggles, but that's the case for me with most releasing stims anyway.

It was very clear-headed at this dose. I felt like I could focus well, I was excited about things. Working on tasks felt natural and fun. I didn't get easily distracted like on some other stims. I think that the description of being halfway between 2-FMA and 4-FA is surprisingly accurate for the 3-FMA experience. It seems like this would be a very versatile chem if not for the duration (more on that below).

The primary effects started to ease a little around 8 or 9 pm, but nothing nasty. I was still feeling good with the residual stimulation. It had the warm afterglow I associate with 4-FA. The residual stimulation made me a feel a little more wired, but still very clear-headed and peaceful.

That duration though. I was not prepared for the long duration. I tried to go to sleep at 11:00 pm. But I just felt wired. My eyes actively fought back against even the idea of staying closed.

A Tangential Side Note on Duration

An important note: I often have this problem with stims. They always seem to last longer for me than for others, particularly the residual stimulation. This seems to be unique to my biochemistry. When I first tried adderall I couldn't sleep for 24 hours. Vyvanse was 48, ugh. When I first tried 2-FMA, if I dropped it at 4 AM, I was lucky to be able to fall asleep at 10:00 pm. I expect 9 hours from 4-FA, 12 hours from 4F-MPH. Certain drugs just last a long time for me I guess.

So I shouldn't have been surprised that 3-FMA would last a long time for me, considering the pedigree.

Back to the Goods

And last it did! Midnight comes, then 1 am. I spent some of that time staring at the ceiling, then trying to close my eyes, then failing. Still feeling good at least. Letting my imagine draw pictures in the darkness. I dropped my standard herbal sleep combo: valerian root, melatonin, l-theanine. No dice. Finally I got up and did some random shit hoping that would help...sometimes I can do that then get back into bed and sleep. Eh...nope. Broke out some porn and jerked it. Felt pretty good, but no post-orgasmic sleep.

And silly me I needed to work in the morning. Argh. I really didn't realize I was risking a zombie work day when I chose the dose and timing. I didn't want to take etiz because I knew there's no way I'd be functional in the morning if I did. That stuff fucks my balance. I look like the proverbial "man in the depths of an ether binge." To even drive to work safely I have to dose etiz at 8 pm the night before...so that ain't happening...and I'm not calling in sick. Too much shit to do.

It's hard to say what the final duration was. It lasted a looong time. Well over 24 hours for me. A big surprise, especially considering the starting dose. It's not like I went crazy.

The Next Day

Well, I ended up just powering through. I gave up on sleep entirely in the end. Went to work and actually did just fine through the whole day. I had no right to be as awake as I was. I didn't feel near as shitty as I expected. I packed a backup stim in case I started to flag, but I didn't need it. And I know well that when skipping sleep, adding more stims is just going to exacerbate the problem. I fucking hate skipping sleep as it is...it tends to wreck me pretty good. I'm glad I didn't need the backup.

I crash at 9 pm the following night and managed to sleep pretty well, thank god. After that my circadian rhythms grumbled at me for a few days, but then resumed their cadence.

Aftermath

I didn't have any major emotional ickies in the following days. I'm not surprised. Maybe a higher dose could cause that. For whatever reason, I don't get an emotional dip from 4-FA at any dose. I'm curious if it'll be the same with 3-FMA.

3-MMC is a different story. If I go hard enough, I'll definitely have the "scratch the walls" doomsday Tuesday that I know I have to grit my teeth and suffer through. Ugh...the things we do for drugs. I try just not to get to that level with 3-MMC though. The emotional dip is much less prounounced when the dosing is kept reasonable. Lol. But anyway...this report is about 3-FMA not 3-MMC!

The Final Word

In sum, I think I really like 3-FMA. I'm looking forward to experimenting with different doses. It doesn't feel like it needs any combination to help it. And I think it could be useful for a variety of applications...work, play, sex, what have you.

I'll just have to keep that duration in mind. That means I'll have to take it as early as I can in the morning, avoid any redose, and plan out what sleep aid I'm going to use if it's necessary. I'm too old to go all night these days. Lol. I don't like using sleep drugs too much, so that may make 3-FMA use a bit self-limiting...but that can't be a bad thing, right?

Thanks for reading.

TL;DR 3-FMA is fun, light, interesting, versatile, and might last an extra, extra long time.

Posted Dec 9, 2017, 10:25 PM UTC · edited

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benieNThaZoes•

It's FUNctional for me. Never done it's orally as an ROA, just IN. The comedown was always easy, benZo needed

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hypnagoggleOP•

"FUNctional"

I like that!

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firstfamily4life•

Thanks for the report - it's always a pleasure to read. Would you say this could be used for a night out, or maybe in a bar, if you upped the dosage a bit, say maybe 60 mg?

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hypnagoggleOP•

Yes, definitely, at least based on the first experience. I'll try different doses eventually, but I'm sure there'd be a sweet spot there in any case.

The only tricky part would be figuring out how to get to sleep at the end of the night, at least for me.

Edit: I think it'd definitely be more of a chill evening kind of thing than a dance your ass off kind of thing, but to each their own. I'm not much of a clubber type.

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firstfamily4life•

How about dosing etizolam very lightly? Maybe 250/350 micrograms would have helped you get some sleep, without having to endure the grogginess the morning after.

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hypnagoggleOP•

I've tried that before in similar circumstances and it hasn't worked all that well, but I'm sure it just depends on the situation. In the moment, I felt convinced that a low dose of etizolam wouldn't make a significant difference.

I also don't have etiz in liquid or powder form, just 2 mg pellets which are difficult to portion up.

An adjoining issue: I'd used a sleep aid in two previous nights (zolpidem) of the week. Otherwise I would have just used that. But I try to have a strict schedule on that so it doesn't cause overall problems for my sleep. I also have some trazodone, but I'm sure I would have just slept right through my alarm if I'd gone that route.

I think that etiz grogginess hits me harder than others. I get it even from just 1 mg. :/

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firstfamily4life•

Then, as you said, it is just personal biochemistry and there is nothing much you can do about it. Sorry for my insistance, but have you considered other options such as diphenhydramine (50-100 mg) or maybe some lighter benzo, possibly pyrazolam?

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hexachoron•

I tried 3-FMA for the first time last week and was similarly surprised by the extremely long duration.

Dosed 35mg after being awake 17 hours and worked all night long. I tried to sleep ~12 hours later but no luck, I ended up being awake for ~38 hours straight before feeling even the slightest bit sleepy. Definitely the most wakeful stim I've ever tried.

To me it felt like a cross between 2-FMA and 3-FA while not being quite as effective as either one as a functional stimulant. I felt a little too good and kept running off on tangents more interesting than the work I actually needed to get done.

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hypnagoggleOP•

That's really interesting! I hardly expected anyone else to have the same response. Maybe there's an actual trend to this. I was awake for at least 35 hours...

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notarealtesticle•

Odd. I tried it for the first time last week, did a 30mg bump then had dinner and a nap. I suppose there was residual cross tolerance happening from tina last week but i found it very easy to relax on. 4fmph on the other hand it just anxiety

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hypnagoggleOP•

Most drugs last longer for me than for other people. It seems to be something about my biochemistry. I also consumed it orally rather than insufflated, which is likely to affect the duration.

And yeah, I haven't ever gone back to 4F-MPH. Made me feel like a grumpy robot, not even appreciating the fact that I burned down tasks with laser precision. Not worth the trade-off, lol.

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phagemasterflexHarm Reduction•

Nice report hypno! Seems like the more recent x-fma's to become available are well received like the rest of the fluorinated amps.

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hypnagoggleOP•

Thanks! I recall you recommended 4-FMA. That might have to be next. Was the duration of 4-FMA really long for you?

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phagemasterflexHarm Reduction•

Yes indeed. 4-FMA has a pretty long duration as well.

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hypnagoggleOP•

Damn. That's the tricky part. Going without sleep is rough on me and forcing it with benzos doesn't quite match up to the real thing. As long as I carve out enough time and dose carefully I can give myself a fighting chance.

There could be worse things than setting the alarm for 4 am to dose 4-FMA right? =D

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phagemasterflexHarm Reduction•

If you start before noon you should be fine by 12 hours later, with one dose that is. It has a smoother comedown than 4-fa in my opinion.

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haux•

I need to give 3-FMA another try, I guess. I bought it along with 2-FMA and 3-FA a while ago, and while the others have come and gone, I still have most of that 3-FMA left. I don't remember my dosage, but it was appropriate, and I recall no noticeable increase in focus, just body stimulation. Maybe I was having an off day. I'll give it another shot.

If I would generally take 30mg of 2-FMA for work, what would you think an appropriate 3-FMA dose would be?

(oral dosing)

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hypnagoggleOP•

Good question. I'm not sure I have enough experience under my belt yet to say for sure. I usually take about 30 mg of 2-FMA myself, and I usually dose orally as well.

If I were trying that with 3-FMA, I'd probably take 40 mg again. I think it would be effective for working for me personally. I'm curious to see if I push the dose higher where that threshold might be that I can't focus as well. Reports imply that it can get too "euphoric".

40 to 50 mg would be my best guess as a sweet spot.

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