Posted Dec 27, 2008, 6:41 AM UTC
This is bullshit, in Mexico the law is clearly on a state by state basis and in ALL states incest (parents-children) is punished by jail.
Really? I was under the impression that there exists no law in Mexico. That country is a complete mess judging from the news feed.
You're thinking of Reno, which is not technically part of Mexico.
Yeah well... it's not as lawful as the US where pretty much anything can land you in jail these days.
(but if you are a high-profile politician or banker you'll always get away with murder).
judging from the news feed
A-ha!
well , if your news sources are fox news and reddit ... This year mexican authorities got in jails to 42000 cartel members ( not weed smokers but real gangsters ) ( http://oncetv-ipn.net/noticias/index.php?modulo=despliegue&dt_fecha=2008-12-25&numnota=41 OnceTV is one of the most respected and impartial news sources in Mexico) .
Mexico also set a record for extraditions on 2008 ( http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jBrQ7AIIrcLgV-sZS_2XL5OWLrBQD956N7V00 ) .
A lot of really scary shit is happening on mexico's north border , but remember that it's being fueled by america's drug money and weapons.
Because the US newsfeed is so pleasant...
The US newsfeed is not my primary source.
haha. name a country. ill be happy to see whether or not the newsfeed they have ABOUT the US is pleasant.
my point (which you seem to have missed) is that youre screwed if you judge a country via newsfeed.
In Mexico, for example, the rape of a teenage girl by her father is defined as voluntary until it is proved otherwise.
If you can't prove it's involuntary then you can't charge someone with rape? Something about innocent before proven guilty?
just a side comment...
Innocent until proven guilty is still a relatively new concept in the world, for much of human history it was the opposite...
nice values there
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Rape is always wrong. No means no.
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or if your the president of the united states of america and there's a war going on...
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It's not rape if she is your daughter.
Haha, so this is why they have big families.
"Conviction rates hover just above 10 percent of complaints filed in the United States and are a measly 6 percent in Britain. Because the vast majority of rape victims don't file complaints, it does not take precise studies or statistics to conclude that most sexual assaults in most parts of the world end without punishment for the perpetrators. "
Isn't that encouraging? I mean, my first though was: "Wow, I can really get away with it"
The article is a little sensationalist and takes a few leaps there with the figures.
Human Rights Watch and other organizations have documented how prosecutors and courts are likely to treat testimony by rape victims with more suspicion than testimony regarding other types of crimes. Routinely, women are aggressively questioned about whether the intercourse was really involuntary, whether the victim somehow provoked or deserved the assault, and whether the assault even occurred.
The writer states this like it's a bad thing, considering the accused's life is on the line. She also fails to note that rape has a far higher rate of false testimony than other types of crimes for various reasons.
Then again you could also examine the huge growing number of false rape allegations being thrown around as get out of responsbility free cards.
You must hold individuals accountable for their conduct. Male/female, homosexual/heterosexual, black/white. Only when the individual is properly insolated can truth and justice be served to all groups.
I am tired of this group specific legislation.
Joe Biden as an advocate of women's rights? How about the whole thing was designed by the attorney's lobby to supply millions of dollars of free $$$ to lawyers for domestic violence "work". Nothing for the men who are often 50%+ the victims of domestic violence. (we all know some crazy harpies)
Agreed.
The law is incredibly biased towards hearing the female side of the story without question. The lawyers that would question the validity and integrity of the claimed "victim" are often way too expensive for the regular guy to afford.
These advocates piss me off. They view the situation as incredibly simple.
My argument is that she's got to prove a rape occured and that she was an unwilling participant. (hospital examination, witnesses) If she fails to do so, then it's just her word against his. We all know women make shit up. In this case it's just way too easy to put an innocent man in prison than it is to put a criminal. Not acceptable.
There's a huge disparity of justice between the sexes in these sorts of cases. Even just looking at the numbers, men tend to get jailed for more than twice as long as women (ignoring the ratio of convictions). Sexism needs to end, in every way. Steeper penalties need to be applied for false testimony.
Seems like a feminist is downmodding us.
That's incredible. Nothing we said was false or sexist in any way. We're just seeking equality and we're being downmodded by (dare I say) women. Now I know there's an undercurrent of anti-male sentiment today.
god damn you two are such obvious liars. If the law were so obviously biased towards listening to the women, the conviction rate would be way above 10 fucking percent.
And yet we still hear a good number of reports of false accusations and corresponding wrongful imprisonment.
Your 10 percent is clearly too high in a system that is flawed.
I think the question is why is the conviction rate only 10 percent? Currently it resides at around 65-80% for the USA. Doesn't this quite obviously signal far too many cases go to trial with insufficient evidence? Rape has a far higher rate of false testimony than other types of crimes.
Downmodded for misleading title. I couldn't find the word "therapist" anywhere in the article.
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Really? Did you read the bit about Mexico?