When Sargon debates the alt-right he is the smug liberal(ist) problem

I figure I take a crack at this since so many people have done so. I saw the debate against Richard Spencer and Richard Spencer's ideas are outlandish to say the least. However, because Sargon doesn't hold his composure and resorts to giggling at the ideas whether it be because of arrogance or nervousness he immediately looks like an arrogant prick.

In fact, it looks like he shows the SJWs more respect than the alt-right and he doesn't try to reach any sort of common ground with them. When he debates other people like Destiny he is in his element because he knows a huge amount due to the amount he reads. While that is his greatest strength it is also his greatest weakness. If he doesn't take them as his equal then he will lose and if he takes them as an immediate threat then he will crash and burn in spectacular fashion just like Kraut.

Because when facing other "less educated" opponents he inadvertently treats them as less than himself. He will use the whole appeal to authority fallacy when debating his opponents. Most of the books he read are merely books based on ideologies and while that is good it will also cause him to collapse when he crams those on his opponents. I think he is slowly starting to grow an ego and a portion of the fanbase is helping to grow his ego. I could be wrong and am happy to figuratively eat my hat over it.

Also, for the whole Liberalist movement or whatever movement he wants to do why doesn't he just brand himself? He can do all the live shows with his fellow youtubers while promoting individual values. Like Tim Pool said the way won't be left vs right but authority vs freedom. Sargon can attract more people from both sides if he brands himself rather than make himself the leader of a movement.

He can create leaders and he can avoid the potential future pile-on he will get. If he goes through with being the leader of an ideology he will only succumb to the pressure it will be with becoming a leader. He will need to make a lot of rules which will alienate people. If Milo Yiannopoulos can brand himself I don't see why Sargon can't do the same thing. He has a big fanbase of subscribers and he certainly has the know how to do that.

TL:DR Sargon should treat the alt-right as his equals just like he does with the SJWs when he debates and branding himself will yield more results than being the leader of a movement.

Posted Jan 10, 2018, 6:32 PM UTC

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-BigBizkit-•

It's funny how people spin that narrative. I don't even care much for Sargon but Spencer was the one who initiated the name calling "your views are soooo autistic". Spencer should have been more respectful of Sargon since he is laying the groundwork for him.

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aa223OP•

Despite that Sargon needs to maintain his composure or go with the flow. Spencer used a technique to catch Sargon off his guard and it worked.

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sepulus•

Kinda. But you had styx actually trying to have a conversation and it just seemed like sargon was trying to get internet points for opposing him.

I liked some of styx's questions and before they could be answered properly sargon would jump in and just try to heckle him on some point and derailed the whole thing.

I turned it off after about 45 minutes because if I just want to hear bickering I'll turn on CNN.

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PikaChocula•

Agreed--Spencer was on Sargon's case as early as the self-introduction portion of the discussion.

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White_Phoenix•

I think it's also that Sargon is really bad at debating. I'm sure he's read up on the alt-right but the alt-right so-called figureheads all tend to be products of Internet culture, so they know how to push all of Sargon's buttons. Spencer's picked up some of the common shit that /pol/ uses and outright came out the gate with it and Sargon took the bait; same thing with Jim, the master of pushing buttons and fishing for gotcha moments.

If you're going to have "debates" both parties have to be willing to have a rules of engagement, or else the debates turn into shitshows and a treasure trove of clips that can be used as gotcha compilations.

X BTFOS Y clips 2 minutes out of a 2 hour debate while removing context

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Reptillianbobcat•

I'm sure Spencer looked into how Sargon operates in debates and such prior to that stream and figured out that Sargon would get frustrated if he managed to avoid laying out the principles of the alt-right and if Richard said he was autistic enough. He trolled him good that's for sure XD

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Rocjahart•

I do have to somewhat agree. I've been following Sargon for a few years now and have been feeling less intrigued in the last year or so. I feel more and more that hes not taking his opposition seriously and doesn't try to analyze their reasoning, and rather dismisses their ideas since it's so obvious that liberalism is superior. Sure it's obvious that SJW's are crazy and have no concept on how to built a functioning society, but not having respect for ones opposition is a very dangerous habit.

I've always disagreed with Sargon on a lot of things, but felt that hes previously been fair and reasonable and therefore worth a listen. I still mostly enjoy the content, but i feel that this point is too important not to make. Also English isn't my first language so if anything is unclear I'd gladly try to clarify things.

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testmypatience•

Good thoughts. Thank you for your contribution.

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If that stream had been just Styx and Spencer, it would have been much better. Even as a fan of Sargon, he ruined it and then got his ass pummeled in the "debate".

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[deleted]•

Haven't watched it, but it sounds like he deserved to lose.

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SalokinSekwah•

How about don't debate them

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