So Aggron is Steel/Rock, making it 4x weak to Fighting/Ground. It is also known for having extremely high bulk.
Machamp and Groudon come to mind as good candidates. Supposedly Machamp is better though due to stronger DPS movesets?
Thoughts? I'm wondering if itll be doable with 2/3
Posted Jan 23, 2018, 10:44 PM UTC
Should be doable with 3 people with high level Machamps. Don't know how Groudon will fare
No surprise, Machamp is the highest DPS. But groudon with his huge bulk and double ground moves is the best second option. I did only a half-assed math thought.
My current tyranitar team versus an supposed aggron raid took 50% more time to take aggron down, so I don't think he can be dued, even with weather. Maybe its possible, but really, really hard.
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Hmm, running the numbers on pokebattler, it can be done with 3. Duo is seemingly impossible cause its killer defense. Even level 40 perfect mons in cloudy weather only brings the time to a little above 400 seconds
Here's Pokebattler's rankings.
Fighting types are a clear best choice. Groudon and Rhydon are viable. Donphan is actually very good here.
Just looking quickly at the Pokebattler guide, Groudon is #1 in clear/sunny weather, but Machamp is king in all other situations, followed by Hariyama in most cases (Breloom or Blaziken show #2 for a few weather/moveset combos).
Number 1 is Machamp (Counter / Dynamic Punch, Karate Chop is OK too).
Number 2 is Groudon (Mud Shot / Earthquake). Best TDO but 10% less DPS.
Number 3 is Hariyama (Counter / Dynamic Punch).
A good glass cannon is Breloom (Counter / Dynamic Punch).
When it rains, Kyogre (Waterfall / Hydro Pump) comes 4th.
Minimum number of trainers is 3, typical successful group should be 6 (as for Groudon/Kyogre raids).
It has double weakness against fighting types . So Machamp,Heracross,Hariyama. You can also use Gyarados
Aggron can learn thunder and stone edge, plus Kyogre is a stronger water type, I wouldn't use ol' Gary,
You can also use Gyarados
Did you mean Kyogre?
(Un)Surprisingly, Kyogre is the 4th-best Aggron slayer in the rain (after the usual Machamp, Groudon, Hariyama).
Empirically Groudon is the best counter due to Aggron's double weakness to Ground but I do not know how it compares to Machamp's Counter/Dynamic Punch since Mud Shot/EQ has so much lower DPS than C/DP. I think they're probably kinda similar in the end? Both resist Rock.
So yeah, Groudon and Machamp.
Machamp is top because Aggron has a double weakness to Fighting as well as Ground.
I know. Groudon is strictly superior to Machamp, statwise. It's just that Ground-type moves are so weak compared to Fighting's.
Swampert? It you want a good anchor.
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Swampert is a Ground type, has an immunity (well, not in Go but the in game equivalent) to Electric.
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Can't learn any SE moves
It gets Mud Shot/Earthquake and Water Gun/Surf. Both are SE, the first is double SE.
Bring your ttar boss army and utilize 4x weakness
Blaziken against steel moves
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His bulk may prevent this but it totally may be duoable. I’m just curious about the bulk. I’m sure we will find out soon.
ttar is 212 def and 200 sta (42,400)
aggron is 314 def and 140 sta (43,960)
its a lot closer than i expected actually
edit: yep, stamina doesnt matter for raids, so aggron will be much harder. im just surprised how close it is general
HP is fixed for raid bosses, so Aggron will be more difficult. Also less attack, so less energy provided.
i never knew!
so for raids, aggron is much bulkier
but in gyms theyd be pretty comparable
Good catch on the stamina, I forgot (stupidly) that would factor in.
apparantly not for raids haha
But in raid terms stamina doesn't matter as all level 4 raid have exactly the same fixed health. So he will just have 50% higher def, and using some calculator made my 6 level 36 machamp take 50% more time to take him down, thats why I don't think he will be able to be duoed, even with weather.
Yes but Stamina is fixed at 7500 for tier 4 raids. So just by eyeballing and not taking into account energy gained from attacks sustained it seems like Aggron will be 50 percent more difficult than ttar
While true, Stamina is increased for each raid boss tier. So Aggron will be about 157% tankier than Tyranitar for a Tier 4 boss
Yeah, but it could be possible in cloudy weather when the boost should help counter the bulk.
Even level Counter/Dynamic Punch Machamp in Cloudy weather can't duo him. His Defense stat is too high.
Pokebattler simulation
Minimum is 3 trainers, even with weather boosted for fighting. Also best counter is Machamp. Groudon is best for bulk but won't kill Aggron as fast.
Breloom making an appearance! Ahead of Blaziken nonetheless! Will be actually quite handy against Thunder Aggron.
Groudon is better against thunder. You won’t need more than 2 or 3 double ground because you really won’t take damage.