Does anyone else find this show frustrating?

I really love the premise of the show, and overall I thought it was well written, researched, acted and directed.

However I found some of the shows writing very frustrating, and greatly to its detriment.

The primary conflict/ theme that the show seemed interested in exploring was the morality of sympathizing and empathizing with crazy murderers. ("IS THERE METHOD IN THE MADNESS?")

However this theme which dominates much of the plot progression, characterizations and dialogue is undercut by the fact that audience:

a) already has an interest in serial killers, and therefore don't find it morally objectionable to be fascinated by them (and are deeply skeptical of the potential psychological harms of that interest)

b) already know that understanding their motivations and psyches will ultimately prove very useful in the future. (Q: Is there method in the madness? A: Yes, and even calling it "madness" is stupid.)

So the (supposed) dramatic tension created by Holden "crossing the line" is ultimately not very interesting? Yet the show consistently focuses on this instead of actually getting into the psyches of the serial killers (the actually interesting part of the show!)

And in order to play out this tension in the dialogue, Holden must become totally unable to communicate with his colleges, and in turn they must become totally incapable of empathizing with him. So much conflict in the show is created artificially through the characters' inability to communicate and compromise like smart, professional, people?

(Because we all essentially agree with what Holden is doing, the writers have to turn his character into a reckless, stubborn egomaniac, in order to maintain the supposed grey morality of what he is doing.)

This artificiality is further emphasized because our main characters: a) all essentially agree about what they are doing and b) are supposed to be in the business of understanding other peoples motivations and personalities.

There is a difference between the conflict coming externally (everyone else vs our main characters) which is an interesting wrinkle in the historical setting of the show, and it being the primary conflict between main characters which dominates the screen time. The writers seemed so preoccupied with milking conflict from every relationship in the show, that they transformed all of the main characters into stubborn assholes who seemed to vehemently disagree about minutiae.

TLDR: I think the show is frustrating because it keeps pushing its least interesting aspects (Is there method in the madness? How far is too far? Does empathizing with serial killers make you as bad as them?) in-front of its most interesting aspects (Serial killer psychology, a historically interesting plot, good characters)

Posted Feb 11, 2018, 11:23 AM UTC · edited

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Breakfastdefector•

You need to realize that at the time period that the show takes place, everyone would react that way towards anyone trying to empathize with a serial killer especially a FBI agent.

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pullingthestringzOP•

I understand that. I had no problem with the show exploring the reaction that the local cops ect had towards Holden. What I am talking about is the way that the writers chose to turn that conflict into the dominant focus of the show (specifically through Holden's character arc, and the relationships between the main characters).

There is a difference between the conflict coming externally (everyone else vs our main characters) which is an interesting wrinkle in the historical setting of the show, and it being the primary conflict between main characters which dominates the screen time.

I guess my point is; the decision to portray Holden's story as some morally grey quagmire rather than a battle against oppressive orthodoxy made the show frustrating to me, because it isn't really a morally grey issue in the minds of a modern audience.

It would be like if you made a movie about Galileo; obviously you would have to show the resistance he faced ect, but that movie wouldn't be trying to seriously pose to its audience; Does the earth REALLY orbit the sun? Maybe Galileo was the crazy one?!

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sexdragon1•

I see your frustration but that is what captures my attention. I'm a counselor and work with adolescents. They see many of these issues like the school shooter in Florida this past week as black and white.(born bad) This mindset is still the most widely accepted viewpoint in many households. I like how the show explores the tension between what people are comfortable with in our culture and learning something new.

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kummerspect•

I'm reading the book right now and they added a fair amount of drama that wasn't present in the real story, but that's what separates this show from a documentary. I don't think that makes it frustrating, it's just not your kind of show.

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MilhouseVsEvil•

Douglas is pretty full of himself though. Well at least that's my take from reading his books.

I can only speak for myself but I have no interest in serial killers outside of the methods used in catching them. BLK was the only serial killer I was even aware of in the show. The most fascinating part of the show for me is exploring the ramifications around the idea we can stop a killer before he becomes one. Like how the tickle Principal technically hasn't committed a crime but ends up ostracized like a criminal regardless. There is a lot more depth to the show beyond the serial killers.

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sexdragon1•

Yes I don't like crime dramas but this show is not the same

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VMFarga•

Respectfully, I think you might be making that part of the show out to be bigger than it is. I would agree 100% when you say that the "supposed dramatic tension created by Holden 'crossing the line' is ultimately not very interesting". That is to say, I would agree with you, if I actually thought that was what the show was trying to do, but I don't think it is. I didn't ever feel like the show was trying to portray Holden as being in a morally grey area. From my perspective, the show is how you say it should be.

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[deleted]•

Agree with you about Holden being a boring character because he goes down the robotic egomaniac path so prevalent in a lot of David Fincher's works. I love Fincher's stuff but at this point that shtick is old.

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