Channel Zero 3x02 - “Father Time” Discussion
Posted Feb 14, 2018, 4:06 PM UTC
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The sound of the skull being cut open...
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dat crunchy skull sound
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Yeah, I'm never watching this show with Headphones on ...
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I caught this in the credits. Notice The Pestilent God. I think the Peaches came into contact with some kind of being that gave them their immortality.
Also, what do you all think of that flickering we all saw? I'm thinking that in reality they all look like the flesh suit wearing guy but have an illusion to make them look like their old selves.
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Holy crap! Quinton Boisclair!? As in the guy who played the Devil with the yellow eyes on Legion!?! This show just got even more interesting for me.
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So that was the guy from Legion! I caught that credit somewhere around episode 1 on some website and got totally excited for what that Pestilent God will bring us.
I'm also on board with the flickering simply being a disguise for how they actually look after 60 years. Similar to how they managed to disguise the "feast" and the playground when Alice and Louise joined them. We also still have Smart Mouth, who spoke so eloquently during the dinner scene. I guess he acts as a kind of mouth piece for the Pestilent God, who seems to be so eldritch that he doesn't even use words.
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I think this is almost certainly the explanation for the flickering. It does seem to work a little strangely--it almost seems like Alice was frozen in a completely different "moment" (during the surgery scene) from where Louise was (just there, in stasis?).
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Plot twist: Zoe actually died when their mother stabbed her and Alice has been schizophrenic-ing her back to life.
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I'd think this was a possibility if Zoe wasn't hanging out with the landlady on her own.
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#PLOT TWIST
Everyone has schizophrenia!
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Oprah voice You get schizophrenia! You get schizophrenia! EVERYONE GETS SCHIZOPHRENIA!!!
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What if the landlady is also a product of her illness?
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Holy shit that would be nuts
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So the cop didn't think about connecting the dude in a 1950's type blue suit to the description he was given about a perp in a 1950's blue suit?
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I feel like they are going to team up this season. We didn’t see the cop after he saw the staircase so there’s definitely more there especially as it seems as his dad is involved with the coverup somehow
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Just because it hasn't been mentioned yet doesn't mean that he didn't make the connection.
Many viewers last episode assumed that Alice didn't tell Louise she saw Joseph Peach at the park, yet it simply wasn't shown to us in episode 1.
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Shame at the lack of discussion:( that was fucking disgusting.
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What the freak. That was hella gross. Red Lobster commercials in between of steak was aweful timing.
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That was a very great episode. I didn't love it as much as last week's premiere but it was still a very unsettling, yet darkly hilarious, character-driven episode. My heart absolutely sunk once I saw what Alice's mother did. Also nice we got a lot more information about the peaches and more screen time for Luke. Very excited for next week.
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i'm REALLY liking this season thus far! it's very interesting! i'm also getting an awesome HANNIBAL vibe from the first 2 eps as well (not surprising with Nick Antosca's history with the HANNIBAL tv show).
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That explains the brain scene
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The amount of times I said “WHAT THE FUCK” was preeeeeeetty high.
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I loved the episode. When it started with some very dark humor and continued running with it, I was reminded that Acosta did mention this season being funnier than the first two.
And while it was that, it did an awesome job of distracting me and letting my guard down. Every time something odd started happening I had shivers going down my arms, and that scene at the end with Joseph opening up Alice...damn that just hit me in all the right-wrong ways.
Really loving that again they managed to surprise me with this season.
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Woohoo, Mr. Schizophrenia.
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RIP Tanya, the dead pool’s officially begun!
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Rip calMan
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So the dwarves in the red jumpers...are they personifications of whatever Peach is "curing" people of? When we got the image of "schizophrenia" in Alice, it just seemed very similar to those little buggers. Also, why do we not see Smart Mouth at the dinner? Only saw the baby faced one.
EDIT: Also, on rewatching the episode, the Blue Suit Peach has a pretty noticeable expression change when Vancyk threatens that he'll be "picking up his teeth" when in prison, and the Pestilent God looks like its maybe grinding up teeth when it makes that paste that it uses to cover Izzy. Maybe I'm reading too much into this or maybe that's a thing to look out for?
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I don't think the Meat Man is the Pestilent God. If I remember, Nick Antosca referred to it as "The Meat Servant" back during his AMA.
I think the Pestilent God might be the horned, Hannibal-Wendigo-looking creature that we saw in the first trailer.
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Yeah, also the credits lend credence to this. The Pestilent God and Meat Servant are listed as separate actors. The meat servant is definitely the fella that walked out of the door at the end of episode one though.
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Maybe the Meat Servant is the real form of Joseph Peach under his strange holodeck illusion.
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I was thinking that. Also that the meat servant is what the people found in the basement of the house that caused them to burn it down.
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I think you're right, I was conflating the two.
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Well the meat servant and pest god are both credited in the credits so if say yeah they're different.
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i'm the person who created the credits for the show... and i can say i/we never expected you guys to be picking through these for spoilers/ clues. this is awesome.
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👈😎👈
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Haha!! You should have seen us last season. Credits and screen shots! Much respect.
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lol no you're not
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This is what I thought, too.
Also, that snap back to Alice's schizophrenia's face was cruel.
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why didn't he carve it outta her?
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It's his leverage over her. Currently she's terrified that she's going to be hit with this, so making that offer to her is more likely to get her on board than doing it and then asking her to be a part of the family.
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That’s an excellent theory!
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I thought Smart Mouth was the baby faced one. The homunculus child is different. Smart Mouth was listed in the credits but the homunculus child wasn't.
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I thought the baby face one was wearing a mask.
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Is it? Hmmm. Ill probably give it a rewatch. I am pretty sure the baby faced one is smart mouth from the credits. The other one was referred to as homunculus child in promo pictures, which usually have accurate character names.
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I'm pretty sure Smart Mouth is the one with the square, crone face, not the one that looks like a child. In the first episode, when Izzy has that red hoodie on, it says "Smart Mouth" on the tag, and then we also see the crone baby face dwarf without that red hoodie licking the wall.
Edited for accuracy.
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I thought it was the baby faced one licking the wall. It wasn't wrinkled enough to be the elderly looking one. Unless they're one in the same? Kind of how Joseph has his weird holo-disguise, maybe the baby face is the hologram disguise of the elderly one. There was only one present at dinner after all.
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Oh shit rewatching it you're right about which one was licking walls. I'm a dummy.
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Uh... I think it's ridiculous, and I love every second of it. My god that Schizophrenia bit was chilling and haunting and I am just in awe of how weird, bizarre and just rediculous this season is getting. Did I mention how much I Love it?
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For some reason that part at the end remembered me of a fusion between American Gods & Legion.
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The oldest son of the Peach family is so fucking creepy. Love his mannerisms
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Was he eating...and fucking that guy?? Either way he seemed way to into it. More disturbing than the orb raping scene from last season.
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I think he was just eating him. He got naked so his clothes would be clean when he was let go.
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what was up with that orb from last season did they ever explain it
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That’s a big, fat nope.
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Ya shoulda been in the AMA today!!! Asking the hard questions!!!
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I think their explanation was that several people had a dream about an orb, so they decided to add it
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I took it to mean she was in a bubble. You know, nothing could touch her. And if she ignored bad things, it meant they weren't real.
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It could represent a bunch of things. Mainly though, it was to represent her isolation from pretty much everyone else.
She put everyone in the orb and trapped them there (her family, her friends, her life). Jules couldn't deal with things when they got tough. She can't deal with her family, she can't deal with Margot, so she just isolates herself. The house taking her memories was almost a gift to her, so she did it pretty willingly..
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orb raping ... there's something you don't read/see everyday.
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So this episode pretty much confirms that they are unofficially making this a Staircases/Borasca season. The weird family that secretly runs the town, the sheriff is in on it, people disappearing, etc.
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I was thinking the same thing.
The theme seems to fit Borasca even more than the search and rescue story.
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Man, I hope it doesn’t end up as depressing as Borasca. Just finished reading it and that ended up feeling like something fucked up in real life, rather than anything supernatural.
I hope this continues toward more supernatural and fucked up, than real life fucked up.
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Borrasca was so stupid I couldn't stand it. The idiocy of keeping women to use as breeding stock is so madly unfeasible. For one, it takes too long, and two, they were drugged so I can't even imagine the expense. I'm also so so tired of the rape trope. Borrasca was tired and cliche, nosleep and channel zero are better than that. Thankfully, other than the "town in on a conspiracy of a powerful family" thing (which has been done so often I didn't even think of Borrasca) I didn't notice any other similarities. Thank god.
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Nah I very much disagree. Borrasca was the best thing in nosleep in years, so much there is just absolute cliched tosh. I agree it's not really supernatural so it doesn't really fit the nosleep/channel zero formula necessarily, but it was a great piece of horror writing.
In saying that I don't think this season has anything to do with borrasca, and I don't see them adapting it at all. The twist is everything in Borrasca, so the fact that most people watching would go in knowing the end kind of ruins the whole thing.
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did you read part five on Walker’s website? it’s still not a happy ending, but there is the potential for one there
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Well, it's kind of a mixture of both. And Antosca already mentioned in several interviews that he'd love to do a Borasca adaptation. So I guess he just fused elements of them into his own story.
I love it though that so far this season could even be just a side story within the Search and Rescue universe.
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How so? Aside from the conspiracy of a town run by a secretive powerful family, which has been done so many other times, I don't see any Borrasca similarities? What else are you talking about?
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I'm glad I watched this in the early morning....when I am not eating. Usually stuff like that doesn't bother me. But that first scene with the "commercial", the food made me sick.
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Yeah, it's really funny how something about it felt off and made you sick almost physically while everything was seemingly okay with the food
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Watched it while eating dinner :)
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I felt kind of shakey how this season was going to go after the first episode. But after watching the 2nd episode, I am like holy shit. It was amazing! I sat there reflecting on what I just saw in silence for several minutes. I'm hoping they don't fuck up the rest of the season.
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Truth.
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as much as i love the creepyness of this season. i hate that its nowhere near the Search and Rescue pasta except that theres random stairs in the woods...
You can't really adapt the Search and Rescue story in a way that would work for television/cinema. The SAR story is just a series of vignettes, there's nothing to really tie any of it together.
I don’t necessarily agree. Each season they seem to take a general concept from a creepypasta and vastly expand upon it anyway. To give it the feel of the original stories it could have had a more woodsy/rural atmosphere instead of a city, for example.
That's what they're doing anyway though. The park is literally described as "a forest in the middle of the city"
They do tend to expand greatly on the creepypasta, but the connection between the CP and the show has never been so tenuous. I’m two episodes behind so there may be more in the show by now, but from my perspective if you replace the stairs with just a door, or the Peach house itself the story of the show is exactly the same and it literally has nothing at all to do with SAR Woods. To my way of thinking it’s a shame to grab the rights for this and prevent someone else from doing an adaptation with more of the elements and feel of the stories, although I admit a direct adaptation is impossible.
I mean it does take place a woodsy rural bumfuck town most of the time.
I see your point, I guess I still just see it as an overgrown park in a sketchy city whereas for search and rescue I imagine an expansive forest with mountains and rivers etc.