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killianfaust

Can Someone Translate This Message For Being Banned

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This is the message I got...enjoy:

"You have been banned from participating in r/TwoXChromosomes. You can still view and subscribe to r/TwoXChromosomes, but you won't be able to post or comment.

Note from the moderators:

You've been banned for repeatedly posting to subreddits that a majority of our problem users are active participants in. An appeal will be started by replying to this message. Please be patient, each new message you send will put you to the bottom of the queue."

So unless I'm reading this wrong, I was banned from that subreddit for posting to other subreddits members of that subreddit also frequent? Didn't I read something that said each subreddit was its own little world, that you can't be banned from one for posting in another? I've never been banned from a subreddit, never even warned, and on that particular one was always respectful. Its like being banned from Wal-Mart because Wal-Mart shoppers saw me in Target, even though they were in Target too to see me.

Have all the fun you want with this because, and I mean no disrespect, I know that site "helps" people (was actually using it for help), but I honestly don't give two fucks about the ban, just the dumb (and seemingly against Reddit's own rules) reason behind it.

Posted Mar 2, 2018, 11:23 PM UTC

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Hodl_Your_Coins•

Yeah it sounds like that.

Pretty stupid, honestly. Having control of a subreddit, I can tell you that you can pretty much do whatever you want.

It can be public, private, or you can filter requests to join, even filter through each individual post before its approved.

Depending on how draconian the mods are, they can theoretically do whatever they want in terms of posts, and membership.

Their posted reasoning is completely off-base and stupid. Maybe they're trying to mitigate certain "types" of users that have been problems in the past.

I can't imagine they police those subreddits to block people from their SR.

Do you have an idea of what the subreddit you posted in that caused this?

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killianfaustOP•

Either PokemonGo or The_Donald, one or the other. Seriously, I can probably point you to the exact post that did it, which is odd why someone would frequent that subreddit just to look for people to ban on their subreddit, unless they are hunting people to ban.

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Mr_Wallet•

Definintely The_Donald, lots of subs automatically ban you for commenting there. Even if you despise the entire subreddit and gave into temptation even once to condemn a particularly awful post, congratulations, you are a fascist Trump-lover who doesn't deserve to participate in a subreddit about e.g. pretzel-making.

Because logic.

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Hodl_Your_Coins•

Yeah sounds like a witch hunt.

That's absolutely ridiculous. I am tempted to make a bot that bans users from a given subreddit if they're posting in 2x lol

Are you going to go through w/ the appeal? Or just leave it as is

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Algernon_Asimovhelper•

I can't imagine they police those subreddits to block people from their SR.

They don't. There is a bot available for this.

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Hodl_Your_Coins•

Is this behavior commonplace among mods?

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theMaxscart•

It's not. It's mainly a policy for when the ideas of another subreddit are antithetical to theirs, meaning that is not the user profile they want in a majority of cases. So, it's mainly for politically or ideologically charged subreddits.

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Algernon_Asimovhelper•

I don't know how widespread the practice is, but there has been an increase in the past year or so of complaints by people who've been pre-emptively banned.

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Hodl_Your_Coins•

Dang :( That's unfortunate.

Thanks for your replies!

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Algernon_Asimovhelper•

So unless I'm reading this wrong, I was banned from that subreddit for posting to other subreddits members of that subreddit also frequent?

You're reading it wrong.

You were banned from TwoX for posting in T_D - because many troublemakers in TwoX come from T_D. It's like being banned from Wal-Mart because the owners of Wal-Mart saw you in Target, and they've previously had people come over from Target to vandalise Wal-Mart stores. If other people from Target have vandalised Wal-Mart stores, why not you as well?

Basically, they've had a lot of trouble in TwoX from people in T_D. Therefore, they're assuming that anyone who posts in T_D is potentially going to cause trouble if they also post in TwoX, so they pre-emptively ban anyone who posts in T_D before they can cause trouble in TwoX.

Didn't I read something that said each subreddit was its own little world, that you can't be banned from one for posting in another?

Not quite.

There are moderator guidelines which say:

We expect you to manage communities as isolated communities and not use a breach of one set of community rules to ban a user from another community.

Basically, if a moderator bans you from one of their subreddits for breaking the rules in that one subreddit, they should not then ban you from all subreddits they moderate.

That is not the same as banning you from their subreddit for posting in someone else's subreddit. However, moddiquette says "Do not ban users from subreddits in which they have not broken any rules." But, moddiquette is just an informal set of guidelines, not enforced or enforceable rules.

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killianfaustOP•

So basically they're implementing their own Trump Travel Ban over on 2X...you think the irony of that is lost on their mods???

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theMaxscart•

That's a terrible false equivalence. It's a preventive measure built on observation. Moderators don't take those decisions on a whim. If they have it it's because it saves the moderators a lot of headaches, keeps the subreddit running as intended, and makes for a more pleasant experience for the other (well-behaved) users in general.

If they ban users posting on certain subreddits it's because they are usually at odds with the type of user and behavior they want on theirs. Not everyone, presumably, but a significant amount or majority that led them to implement such a policy. Every subreddit has a type of user it wants, and guidelines they should behave under. If users in a given subreddit think a concept or idea in/behind another subreddit is a joke or unworthy of respect, then chances are their behavior in the latter wouldn't be what the moderators desire.

Moderators have the right to exclude (ban) whoever they want. They offer an appeal in case it was a false positive and you don't fall under that assumed profile. If people don't file it it's because they aren't interested in the subreddit or their appeal wouldn't be accepted (ie. the ban worked as intended). Either case is no big loss to moderators. But if they have such a policy, again, it's because it makes the subreddit easier to manage. Nothing here breaks the content policy, in fact if you read it it says the exact opposite.

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RevBlueMoon•

It's actually not a false equivalence. It is guilt by association.

A lot of Problem Immigrants come from Country X. Therefore everyone from Country X is banned.

A lot of Problem Redditors come from Subreddit X. Therefore everyone from Subreddit X is banned.

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theMaxscart•

The travel ban was pretty irrational. There were a bunch of countries not included in the travel ban where actual terrorism had come from. This subreddit policy was implemented when they observed and carefully analyzed that a majority of users in the subreddit would actively and consistently not fit the profile of their own subreddit, not just a select few (and on a hypothetical) as with the travel ban.

Aditionally, you're mixing politics and constitutionality with online rules and behavior, which are completely different. I mean yeah, I guess you can make an equivalence from nearly anything. Doesn't mean it won't be a ridiculous one.

File the appeal if you get wrongly banned. You'll be back there in a short while. It's an easy, simple process.

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killianfaustOP•

I was banned because of where I post, not what I posted...kinda like being banned from entering the USA because of where I'm from, not what I've done...it's a preventive measure built on observation.

"Moderators have the right to exclude (ban) whoever they want"

Got it...that's all I needed to know.

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PlatinumWitch•

Moderators don’t owe anyone any favors. They can ban whoever they like at any time for any reason. This is normal on reddit, but just Xc. I get it can be frustrating, but many subreddits do this. Look at me, I’m banned from r/food. Fucking r/food. Because one time I posted a single sentence saying that the food looked bad.

You can try to reply to them say your just reason for wanting to participate in a kind manner and maybe they will unban you but, unlikely. People who frequent TD often cause a lot of chaos for subreddits like Xc so you might be fighting a losing battle.

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theMaxscart•

The travel ban didn't cover a bunch of countries which were actually or more heavily involved in terrorism. The travel ban was for a select few who could be a problem, not for a majority of users as it is here. If they implemented such a policy it's because they noticed, from actual analysis, that is was often a problem. Otherwise all the appeals they'd have to check wouldn't make it worth it. Plus, you're mixing politics and constitutionality with online rules and behavior, which are completely different and why it's a terrible equivalence to make.

Usually people who post there do post things that are antithetical to objectives or views of the other subreddit, because of the nature of the subreddit. Same for a bunch of other "opposites." If you were unfairly banned then file the appeal. If you truly aren't the type of user they don't want, then they'll approve it and you'll be back there in a few days/weeks. That's why they have the appeal. Usually that's not the case, hence the policy.

But again, yes, mods can ban anyone. Literally any decent moderator can tell you this. Nothing in the content policy ("reddit's rules") prevent this.

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Algernon_Asimovhelper•

I don't know nothin' 'bout no travel bans, but...

If I'm running /r/DogsAreTheBestPetsEver, and I keep getting trolls in my subreddit from /r/CatsAreTheBestPetsEver posting that dogs suck and cats rule, I might just finally get sick of it and decide I don't need that trouble in my subreddit.

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[deleted]•

welcome to reddit. Run at times by retards.

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Algernon_Asimovhelper•

When I told you to "find a subreddit where you have something useful, relevant, or interesting to say, and say it", this isn't exactly what I meant.

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