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SkipHash

Can anyone recommend a good book on the history of economics, especially really early stuff like how trade emerges out of tribal groups.

Posted Mar 6, 2009, 10:32 PM UTC

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LWRellim•

Niall Ferguson's recent work "The Ascent of Money" is an excellent read, AND a good resource for further study.

Other than that, you really ought to read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson" which will give you a good logical framerwork to analyse current "popular" (aka "politcal") economic fallacies.

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besttrousers•

I upvoted you for Ferguson, but took it back when I saw hazlitt> Brad Delong has a good discussion of Hazlitt's book at http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2005/04/economics_in_on.html

"Tyler Cowen tells us that Henry Hazlitt's Economics in One Lesson is now online.

It's an excellent book to read if one already knows a significant amount of economics. It's an excellent book because it brilliantly and coherently restates the Classical view. It is a limited book because at least half its pages hint that the works of John Maynard Keynes are an abomination without ever grappling with the Keynesian argument.

We all know that the market system is an amazing decentralized social planning and allocation mechanism if externalities are small, if returns to scale are in general diminishing, if we are happy with the distribution of wealth and the concommitant distribution of economic power it gives rise to, and if Say's Law holds--if supply does indeed create its own demand, and we don't have to worry about large-scale unemployment and deep depressions.

Hazlitt doesn't recognize any of these ifs. And that is what makes his book very dangerous indeed to a beginner in economics, because the ifs are, all of them, important qualifications and caveats. I gather that Tyler read it relatively early, and I am amazed that he has escaped with so little permanent neurological and ideological damage.

I find it astonishing that Haslitt doesn't recognize any of these ifs. I find it especially astonishing that he doesn't recognize the last of them. The 1930s were the era of the Great Depression--the time when Say's Law was most irrelevant. Hazlitt lived through them. Yet the Great Depression years seem to have had no impact on Hazlitt whatsoever.

There is one other big problem with Hazlitt--a problem that he shares with many of his successors on the Wall Street Journal op-ed page, on the Weekly Standard, and on the National Review. His quotes cannot be counted on to be in context. His summaries cannot be counted on to be honest.

For example, Hazlitt on Keynes in Economics in One Lesson:

p. 4: There are men regarded today as brilliant economists, who deprecate saving and recommend squandering on a national scale as the way of economic salvation; and when anyone points to what the consequences of these policies will be in the long run, they reply flippantly, as might the prodigal son of a warning father: "In the long run we are all dead." And such shallow wisecracks pass as devastating epigrams and the ripest wisdom.

What Keynes actually wrote in his Tract on Monetary Reform:

Now 'in the long run' this [way of summarizing the quantity theory of money] is probably true.... But this long run is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead. Economists set themselves too easy, too useless a task if in tempestuous seasons they can only tell us that when the storm is long past the ocean is flat again.

Misrepresentations like this do Hazlitt no credit at all."

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Arguron•

"Now 'in the long run' this [way of summarizing the quantity theory of money] is probably true.... But this long run is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead. Economists set themselves too easy, too useless a task if in tempestuous seasons they can only tell us that when the storm is long past the ocean is flat again."

Does this quote not imply that it is pointless for economists to waste time on theories that can only tell us about long term trends? Isn't that exactly what Hazlitt said that it meant? I'm afraid I fail to see the misrepresentation you speak of.

I agree with Hazlitt that Keynes' statement is dangerous and misleading. The long term consequences of inflationary monetary policy are exactly the opposite of "calm seas." To take the analogy further: I would say that adding fiat dollars to the system is not at all unlike adding greenhouse gasses to the atmosphere. We may gain some short term benefits from allowing these policies to continue, but only at the cost of terrible devastation in the future.

"I confess that I prefer true but imperfect knowledge, even if it leaves much indetermined and unpredictable, to a pretence of exact knowledge that is likely to be false."

-Friedrich Hayek

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[deleted]•

Marcel Mauss' "The Gift" is a classic ethnographic work about reciprocal gift giving and exchange in smaller, tribal level societies. He's the founder of modern economic anthropology and a good starting point.

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SkipHashOP•

Thanks. That is exactly what I was looking for.

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lapalam•

Guns, Germs and Steel is a pretty great economics book, though it is usually thought of as a sociological or geographic. It does a great job of explaining how people made it out of tribal economies. Economic history doesn't really exist so much as an independent study, so it is sometimes difficult to find great works. Das Kaptial is an adequate history, but fantastically boring.

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degustibus•
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matrixclown•

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degustibus•

Thanks.

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Karthan•

Das Kapital.

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smaher3•

the ascent of money, a financial history of the world

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[deleted]•

Why?

...do you think it's going to come to that?

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SkipHashOP•

lol.. who knows. Could do, but I'm hopeful it will not. There is certainly a lot of pressure on the current economic paradigm, from the current crises to issues of global resource use and waste issues (global warming). It would have to get really bad for us to go back that far, with mega death. On the other hand, the pressure might just provoke us to work out new ways of doing things that are even better than the current system.

I'm currently reading Ecological Economics by Herman. E. Daly and Joshua Farley. In all I think it is a great book, but there is a bit at the beginning with a short history of economics, and my knowledge of values psychology led be to think it was wrong, so I want to see what else is out there.

Hamburglar has pointed me to Marcel Mauss. Which looks like a very promising start.

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[deleted]•

How about "The Theory of the Leisure Class" by Thorstein Veblen. (snicker)

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cheeese•

Most important read for anyone studying economics is Socialism by Mises

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5am•

Who Killed John Maynard Keynes: Conflicts in the Evolution of Economic Policy by W. Carl Biven

What Has the Government Done to our Money - Murray Rothbard

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futatorius•

David Graeber has some interesting insights on the emergence of economic activity.

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mikelanzaro•

Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley talks about the history of the secret financial masters of the world, the rest is just smoke and mirrors.

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[deleted]•

Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson http://jim.com/econ/

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dakk12•

Here's a 10 lecture series titled Economy, Society, and History. The first couple talks are of very early humanity moving from hunter-gatherers to agriculture and beyond: http://mises.org/media.aspx?action=category&ID=66

  1. The Nature of Man and the Human Condition: Language, Property, and Production

  2. The Spread of Humans Around the World: The Extension and Intensification of the Division of Labor

  3. Money and Monetary Integration: The Growth of Cities and the Globalization of Trade

  4. Time Preference, Capital, Technology, and Economic Growth

  5. The Wealth of Nations: Ideology, Religion, Biology, and Environment

  6. The Production of Law and Order: Natural Order, Feudalism, and Federalism

  7. Parasitism and the Origin of the State

  8. From Monarchy to Democracy

  9. State, War, and Imperialism

  10. Strategy: Secession, Privatization, and the Prospects of Liberty

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