r/math•
tom83

whats the smallest natural number that delivers zero google search results?

Posted Mar 17, 2009, 1:15 AM UTC

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chkno•
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kaskoosek•

What is wrong in the proof is that the property that made it interesting which is it being the "smallest uninteresting number" is no longer applicable.

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implausibleusername•

That's not wrong.

The `proof' just shows that the existence of a smallest uninteresting number is a paradox, therefore it can't exist. It doesn't need to say anything about the other way round.

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kaskoosek•

It being a paradox does not mean that it does not exist.

There are contradictions in life, but it does not mean that they do not exist.

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vardhan•

000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

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OMGbatman•

The second you did it it will have a google search result so... it doesn't exist the second you find it.

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tom83OP•

mask it, write the last digit out or something.

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JonathanHarford•

Some asshole will just write it in the comments.

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nicou•

I was just gonna say that! It's a paradox. "Say the smallest natural number that won't ever be said."

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glenstein•

well if you really need to, you can resolve it by saying "say the number that is one less than the smallest number that won't ever be said"

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nicou•

Yeah, but you'd be changing the original problem. It's like bypassing Russell's paradox by using a different set theory. Of course you can.

- Do 3/0.

- I can't, but I can resolve 3/1.

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cycles•

No, because one cannot make an intuitive guess as to what 3/0 is from 3/1...

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[deleted]•

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xrobau•

Restarting the restart:

Current winner IS: 160470907 plus 1 (felintrade)

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xrobau•

Damn myspace ID's.

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entropyfails•

Replacement Scoreboard: 175474463 by xrobau

I'll vote you up but lets keep the main thread going too. ;)

This is a good place for the scoreboard and discussion, though.

I'm for answers always being their own replies. Edits don't preserve the timestamp and the lack of edit star is a guarantee of integrity.

-- Discussion --

What strategy did you use?

I used two programs. One program walked down from the current best number to see if any of the numbers close to it were better candidates. The other program took a range from a lower bound that I played with but which was around 150,000,000 and went to up to the current best candidate. As I got better candidates, I lowered both the upper and lower bound of the random number generator.

I ran those in parallel on a Linux box and I could achieve about 3 queries per second per process on it. After that, it has been all luck...

Fun stuff!

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xrobau•

You're far more advanced than me. I've just got a pile of computers running scripts doing wget google.com/q=$s and grepping it for 'no results' 8)

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lowenheim•

Haha, exactly what I'm doing!

Incidentally, 172966651

:D

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xrobau•

Bugger. And it looks like I've just been banned from google!

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xrobau•

169994427 plus 1 - gotta go do some work. Have fun 8)

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jayssite•

16047273two

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jayssite•

16047090eight

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[deleted]•

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trevdak2•

I was asked this question once in a job interview.

For my answer, I said I would search for a few minutes to find a reasonably low number, and then make a page with every number up to that one, and then submit it to google for indexing.

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chengiz•

Did you get the job?

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trevdak2•

I called them three days later, and the HR lady said that the people who had interviewed me had all been laid off, so I wasn't going to be hired. I took a job elsewhere the next day.

A week after that, they sent me a job offer anyways, offering $10k/year more than the other job I accepted. I turned it down, because my current job has me as Lead Engineer doing what I like (rapid prototyping and proofs of concept instead of web design). Plus, leaving a job after a week generally ain't cool. Yes I am probably underpaid at my current job, but I'm happy

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[deleted]•

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r3m0t•

Why Peter Norvig?

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satertek•

Larry and Sergey were on vacation.

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[deleted]•

He is in charge of Google Search results.

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duus•

11919312943

edit: shit

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HMSuperb•

114283516one

I think I'm winning so far.

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unanimus•

You are... and you even prevented your submission from being indexed - nice!

Edit: looks like alfador's 371264393 is winning now

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[deleted]•

not anymore, 98,919,618 + 200,000,000

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xrobau•

Ahem. 193980966.

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[deleted]•

[deleted]

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MaxK•

You mean 1142835161?

Yes, I only did that to be a prick.

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alfador•

371264393

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unanimus•

371264371

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wozer•

351264371

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lowenheim•

35126435three

EDIT: 25126419six

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[deleted]•

[deleted]

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entropyfails•

235920714

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LordVoldemort•

This isn't mathematics. This is trivia.

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glenstein•

Do you guys think there is a predictable rate at which this number will increase over time? Presumably this number was lower two years ago, and much lower five years ago, etc. etc

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wozer•

Edit: 497223212

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HMSuperb•
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wozer•

I don't.

Looks like our queries use different data centers which are not completely synchronized...

Is your result from reddit, or something else?

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dorshorst•

Changeset 13194 for ImageMagick/trunk/www/command-line-processing ... 126, <p>See <a href="http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/" target=" 497223212 ">Examples of ImageMagick Usage</a> for additional help when using ImageMagick ... trac.imagemagick.org/changeset/13194/ImageMagick/trunk/www/command-line-processing.html - Similar pages -

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wozer•

Hmm, that's interesting.

If I search just for 497223212, I get no result.

If I search for "497223212 changeset" (without quotes), I get the result you mention.

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[deleted]•

two results here. and neither of them are this thread.

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unanimus•
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[deleted]•

how is this related with math?

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thomas41546•

i haz numbas

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mitchandre•

Computer science and math are very much related these days if you haven't heard.

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elus•

how is this related with computer science?

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mitchandre•

Web programming and computer science are very much related these days if you haven't heard.

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Verroq•

how is this related with programming?

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randomb0y•

First of all, if you want this to work, you have to write the number in a way that will not be indexed by the Google. Like leave some spaces in between, or use some sort of punctuation, or write it as a word.

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georgelazenby•

1410012131

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unanimus•

1399282118

Ha!

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unanimus•

Even better:

1299986329

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hamdog•

55378008

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frogslegs2009•
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[deleted]•

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[deleted]•

0!!! = 1, does it not?

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elus•

Apparently not to computer scientists.

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[deleted]•

Yet another one of those motherfuckers I hated in elementary school. God, go get stuffed in a locker.

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[deleted]•

Apparently 86 in quechua is "pusaq chunka suqtayuq", which does not reveal any true hits.

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