I'm more than socially awkward. I want a girlfriend (or something). Please help (details enclosed).
Posted Mar 25, 2009, 9:18 PM UTC
Posted Mar 25, 2009, 9:18 PM UTC
Work on making a friend before you try to have a relationship. You can't have a successful romantic relationship when you're not even able to maintain a commitment like "this friend and I will go out for a beer most Thursdays."
Maybe a hobby? If you're into math you might enjoy playing Poker at a local bar, since you'll meet some new people and also have an advantage by understanding statistics. Or take up cycling, or swimming, or volunteering at an animal shelter, or try attending Unitarian Universalist services once in a while-- believe me, nobody at a UU church really goes for the religion, it's a social club.
Poker is a really good idea. People love being around other people that are good at stuff.
Agreed. If you can't maintain a friendship with a girl, there's no way in hell you're going to get anything more than a casual fuck (and that seems unlikely judging by this guy).
Have you tried internet dating sites. It would give you the chance to meet/ask out girls without the pressure. An online companion would be able to help you develop more social skills in an environment that is under your control.
I would recommend that too. Maybe you are not the only one who feels that way.
I want a girlfriend (or something).
What would your idea of (or something) be? Just curious.
Friends with benefits... Most likely...
Or dogfriend.
I had a friend that was into bestiality porn...
He was the oddest little fur ball I knew.
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This is very important. What's (of something)? A hamburger? A can opener? A raccoon?
Meerkat sex.
Fleshlight.
I don't believe any of these AskReddit "help me get a girlfriend or lots of sex" posts anymore.
You are just being jaded! When you aren't willing to believe that there are dorks who cannot get laid asking for advice from the internet, then what can you believe?
They seem to be happening a lot lately.
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So I'm 21, going to college, paying for college which means I work a lot of the time and that doesn't pay enough for housing so I'm living with my parents. I'm a Computer Science major, which means there are two girls in the entire program (one's married, other one is a stuck-up moronic bitch). I've been diagnosed with a variety of psychotic disorders, and I take medication for that, depression, and panic attacks. I'm pretty pumped full of medication.
I've only asked one girl out ever, which I hear it's a "numbers game" so that means I'm extremely far away from the goal. The first time I tried, the stress I put on myself was what triggered the psychotic disorder, so I might have a defense up against asking people out as well.
However, all of the posts in AskReddit about women are focused around this one feature, getting over the anxiety of asking someone out. I think that part is easy compared to what I'm up against. I think my problem is not the awkwardness of the asking out, but I actually get nervous if she were to say "yes"... I kind of don't want them to say "yes" because I would have no idea what to do at that point. When that first girl said "no", I felt relieved.
I just plain don't talk to people, so what would a meal or other social construct be like with someone who I don't even know? I've gone to lunch with coworkers, but it only works because it's usually 3+ people and the other people know how to talk. My "best" friend is someone I speak to maybe once every 3 or 4 months. I just don't like talking unless it has a specific reason related to my job or school, and [my](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_(game\)) main [hobbies](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_(process\)) are really obscure or done alone.
I've tried joining clubs. I joined a submarine project at the university I attend and basically became server admin and one of the top coders by default since nobody else knew even half as much as I do. The only girls that were there were either already in a relationship or way out of my league, so that backfired, and now it's just another pressure to work. It seems all I do is work.
The other common answer I hear is counselling. "Seek professional help.". After 6 months of my psychiatrists (plural) and main doctor's recommendations, I finally tried it. The first time I went in they had me take a survey. I apparently scored in the "extremely high probability for suicide" range. The first session I gave her a letter explaining things, and then after she read it the last 45 minutes was basically me being forced to convince her that I wasn't going to commit suicide until they found someone for me (I apparently fell into another weird category of people not willing to be taped (for two logical reasons, one being that I knew if any of my psychosis were to return I would completely lose it if I knew I was being taped, the second reason was that I actually knew the people who ran the servers that the tapes were saved to personally, and going to counselling itself was a risk of them finding out, and I didn't want them to know the exact details of my issues on top of that)). After two weeks they couldn't find anyone and managed to bend the rules a bit so I could be seen again. That time I scored lower on the suicide range, and somehow with how calm I had become due to medication, I somehow accidentally conviced them that I was fine and didn't need counselling, even though I never actually said that.... I don't really know how that happened to be honest. I went from suicidal in their minds to someone who just has normal problems and doesn't need help.
So... that was about two months ago. I still occasionally get depressed, but for the most part my medications can prevent me from doing much about it. I'm no longer psychotic, so that's good. I doubt I could commit suicide because not only am I semi-suicidal, I'm also a hypochondriac so death terrifies me (even if I have the urge to do it to myself, it's complicated).
Anyway, my issues with mental health are not what I'm getting at here, because that has become manageable. I want social help. Those same coworkers can tell I'm socially awkward, and a lot of people have mentioned the fact that I actually enjoy awkward silences (which I do, the only bad thing about awkward silences is that some people feel the urge to break them... I hate that, it's sort of like saying "the only thing I hate about kittens is they become cats").
I keep hearing that this is the prime of my life and I shouldn't be wasting it, but I don't know how. It doesn't really feel like a choice anymore. I really feel like I'm out of options... and this has become a tl;dr, so I'll stop here. Um... help?
So it sounds like due to your other hobbies, and perhaps your natural personality, you have never been very social with people in general. Unfortunately to have and maintain any kind of relationship, especially a girlfriend, you need to have a certain level of social skills. In your case I would forget about girls for right now, and focus on yourself. You should find ways to become more social with friends, family, and strangers, and everybody. Once you have those skills, you'll probably start to meet women without even trying, and it will open up other doors that you may not have thought about yet.
A few techniques to become more social are... Hang out with and/or observe others who have the social skills you would like to have. Hang out in a library or bookstore looking for selfhelp books that seem to be relevant to you. Join a club that involves giving speeches like Toastmasters. See how often you can initiate conversations with people throughout the week, Etc...
Unless your a natural it can actually take longer to learn how to be a social person, than it does to learn computer science or Greek. So get started now, so you won't look back in 5 years knowing you wasted valuable time. (Sorry there aren't any shortcuts, you're going to have to put in some relentless effort to reach your goal.)
Your whole life is the prime of your life, so don't waste it, start on this now.
Very good advice. (Considering it's coming from the internet.)
Friends of mine met at a sci-fi convention.
There are plenty of socially awkward girls out there in the same boat.
Start doing stuff/hobbies where there are many girls and you will get one through osmosis.
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I would suggest listening to what other people are talking about and trying to become informed on those topics. Its why I started watching sports.. to blend in with the cool kids. It ended up working.
You can help yourself in stages. Just expanding your social circle, rather than looking for a girlfriend, is probably a better place to start, because you get more practice at social skills without the added pressure. Also, more friends means you'll be introduced to more women, so it's going to help in both ways.
Do you mix with others in your course program? - almost no women, ok, but all those guys, they must have friends, parties, bbqs, past-times, friendship groups etc. of their own. Just befriending a couple of them has got to help.
Have a think about why people want someone to be their friend. If a person comes across as simply wanting something from them, most people pick this up on their "radar" (even if they don't consciously think about it). If the person comes across as being genuinely interested in them as a person, they respond much more positively - and feel a warmth towards that person. Part of learning better social skills involves learning how to be more interested in others. It can be as simple as remembering to ask people about themselves ("hey, I got the same mark as last time, and I studied way more for this test - how did you go, man?"), commenting positively on something about them, or doing something nice for them. One of the most instructive ways to move "outside" yourself in this way is to be involved in volunteering. Saydrah has already suggested this, for the same reason. It really helps you to gain a new perspective, train your mind to think of others, and of course gives you a new set of friends along the way, so you can start practicing straight away!
Agree with this advice. Befriend someone outgoing and study how they interact with people. I learned all sorts of stuff by just watching my roommate interact with people at parties - things like saying Hey and asking them followup questions when they respond ("hey, I got the same mark as last time, and I studied way more for this test - how did you go, man?")... its subtle but all charismatic people have those qualities and there is no reason you can't attain them either.
You're 21? Start hanging out at the bar. Sit there for 2 hours and drink at your own pace. The atmosphere will open you up and sitting there will 100% insure that someone will eventually need to take the seat next to you, often asking you if its open. That's always an easy ice breaker.
At one point, you'll be so buzzed/drunk that you'll forget about your social awkwardness and the nearby patrons will be sure to know your name, exchanging stories with eachother.
You just told a guy who is admittedly psychotic to go drink for a few hours. I love it.
It's exactly what he needs.
Oh no question. But that is my solution to nearly every single life problem also.
Just thinking maybe, if he is not accustomed to the drink, then hilarity and/or violence may ensue.
I don't think this is good advice for him. Alcohol definitely makes people much more easy going, but if he doesn't know how to interact then its not going to help.
I'm quite shy and socially awkward, and alcohol really helps bring me out of my shell.
However, I suspect it sometimes amplifies my awkwardness, I just don't realize it because I'm drunk...
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The only way to learn how to interact is to spend more time around people. And people will interact with anyone while buzzed.
This is excellent advice.
Alcohol always helps
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Excellent advice...what if they already all know me?
New bar!
Then you're in the same boat as me. Nothing wrong with having only 10 friends that are constantly drunk.
I've only ever been drunk once. Solid drunk for 5 years now and counting but still... only been drunk once
Dude, the whole shrink thing (no offense) really seems like you are making excuses. Return and say you would like to see a doctor because YOU think you need one, not because they think you have this or that problem. They can't diagnose you from some test or 5 minutes in an office.
And as for being on medication, that fucks with things too because sometimes people will use it as a crutch.
If you don't talk to people, you are going to have a hard time. Do you not want to talk, have nothing to say, are you really boring? Seems like you are pretty wordy in your posts, try to transpose that into real life.
And as for getting some poon, first make some friends and try to get into a social group of any kind. You can sit in the corner and be quiet as a mouse, eventually some annoying person from that group will jabber at you to participate, then say what is on your mind.
But it seems like you are super busy with life and kinda down on yourself, so maybe focus in liking yourself and improving your outlook on life etc. that helps.
ps. There are women who like your type, I know this chick who dates a dude who has panic attacks when faced with being social, and is on like 15 kinds of meds. She's pretty cool, and not half bad looking either. So if that dude can get some, Im sure you can too.
If you like books, how about joining a book club?
To socialize you need to put your self in places where other members of society mingle.
I was a computer science student also, and I know what that can do to your psyche. Your brain circles around problems, because it has to do that to solve them. But then you work those same habits on trying to fix yourself. Me, I ended up thinking life and women and being happy were really complex problems that had to be solved the same way.
If you're in this rut, get out now! Explore the social side of your brain (it's there, trust me). I'm also upvoting the "hang out in a bar" comments, but here's some off-the-wall advice...
Find a gym, sign yourself up with a trainer. First, this will do wonders on your self-image, AND make you healthier. Second, doing something like mixed martial arts will really increase your confidence levels, which will gradually make your social situations less awkward. (Do NOT do martial arts with the kids.) And third, it's a social situation! If you get a good trainer, he/she can help you work on your communication while you're working out.
And finally, NO ONE is way out of your league. There is no "league"; there are women. And women are not that different from men, they just have different parts that you're attracted to. It's NOT that complicated. Lots of women have the same feelings you do. Think about it.
Actually, the advice about martial arts classes makes a lot of sense. I did them for a long time and a lot of what it teaches you is assertiveness, and it doesn't hurt to get into shape. On top of that, it's a good way to meet people.
When you find her, she will be "way out of my league."
this sounds kind of crazy, but can we get a picture of you? Really, advice needs to center around that. I know that sounds shallow, but I think it makes a big difference with which strategy one should approach.
Seconded. Outer beauty isn't everything, but it still matters if you're looking to meet people.
Edit: Also, I said this before. There is no "league". When people typically think of unattainable women, they're typically hot and shallow. And any woman who is hot and not shallow, is not out of your league. Think about it!
These are what you need to be focused on. The rest of the stuff is unimportant. Reread it and take a moment to reflect on what you can change in order to increase your chances. Keep that psychiatry stuff to your self-- it looks more like self loathing than information.
Read the book Feeling Good: The New Mood Therapy by David D. Burns. This book helped me immensely in overcoming my anxiety disorder. Read it, and practice the exercises in it daily. When I first read it, I didn't bother to do the exercises because I thought they sounded stupid. Then I started to do them and things began to change. At first slowly, practicing good mental health is just like exercising, you need to do it every day and consistently over a long period of time to get real sustainable benefits. A pyschologist recommended it to me, its how to use cognitive therapy or the practice of changing and managing your thought patterns so you feel better. No medication I ever took had the impact that this had for me. I understand you want to meet a woman (at least some biological system within you wants to) and that's a whole other discussion in itself. But I was in a pretty dark place as well 2 years ago, and I can tell you from personal experience, once you start feeling better, you will find your ability to seek out relationships with other people will come for more naturally. Please, try this book.
great advice that book helps a tremendous amount.
"The only girls that were there were either already in a relationship or way out of my league..."
There is one of your problems. Don't put girls above you so much. Don't treat them like shit but don't act like they are some higher class that you can't converse with.
I believe that is known colloquially as placing the "pussy on the pedestal"
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I have similar problems talking to people. If you want to talk about technology or some other specific thing that I'm interested in then I can go on about it for hours. But that's not good enough in many situations, especially with members of the opposite sex or people not involved/interested in tech. I'm usually just not interested in what people have to say about random things. In any situation where I feel I can "zone out" without totally offending the people I'm talking to (basically any situation except a one on one conversation) I will quickly stop talking and my mind will start wandering. It's like I have social anxiety and ADD.
Suggestions for dealing with this would also be appreciated. Sorry for hijacking your post, but I feel its pretty relevant.
Don't define yourself like that. You're still learning about yourself. Don't take on such limiting beliefs.
Don't see yourself as some kind of impossible to solve exception.
You don't need to know what to do. And I don't think there's any reason to pretend like you do either.
You know how to talk too! Just make sure you're really listening. Listen closely, focus not on yourself but on drawing other people out. Draw what's interesting about them out. And one way to do that is by demonstrating and sharing yourself.
Don't give up on yourself. It doesn't have to be a numbers game either, so don't feel frustrated by that either. I don't know you, but that you enjoy awkward silences is very funny and interesting. Just say that!
Look for opportunities to be social. I know you've tried before, just don't give up. Be patient with yourself and congratulate yourself for the lil' steps.
Great points.
I especially like the "You don't need to know what to do." A big problem of mine used to be over-thinking things. I had the idea that if I thought about an issue enough I would be able to come up with a perfect solution, but in reality it just made me more nervous to do things. In social situations, I find it's better to think less, do more.
Yes! Express yourself and encourage others to express themselves. This leads to honest, meaningful conversation. Of course, this type of expression also includes joking around which is honest in its own way.
Just focus on making friends and being social, the girlfriend thing will happen on it's own if you do that
The mental issues I can't help with. But if you want to understand the social dynamics involved in dating then please read Mystery's book. Before anyone else jumps in to rubbish the Mystery Method, let me just say that his insights have been extremely helpful to me--and not just in relation to women. The years 18-25 were a disaster for me. Studying attraction leads to a reassessment of our life's goals and priorities.
If you're a computer science dude and socially awkward (and like me, find it difficult to 'read' people) it think it will help you to view social/dating interactions using the M3 program model.
For other questions I've found the Attraction Forums overall to be as intelligent and supportive as Reddit.
Remember, this is not about 'gaming' women or 'fooling' them into anything; it's not really about them at all. It's more about becoming the best version of yourself that will attract the kind of person you genuinely seek.
All the best.
People love to either talk about themselves or share their opinions on things.
So, a good way to get or keep a conversation going is to ask the other person OPEN ended questions. I capitalized open because if your questions can be answered with a yes or no, you have no conversation.
You do not even have to structure them as questions, state an opinion about something that you have. For example "I am happy to be off work for the weekend, but with the economy the way it is, it is good to have work. I think with the new administration we will start to move in the right direction though".
Not great but if the person you are with has any conversation skills she will give her opinion on the economy, the new administration or both. Or she will make some comment about work. Everyone has stories about co-workers or likes to bitch about their jobs sometimes. It is universal. She will want to keep talking just as much as you do so if you throw something out there, she will try to pick up on it and run with it.
Anyway, just try to relax. Girls are not some mystical creature, they are people and have the same feelings, thoughts and experiences that you do. Keep that in mind also.
Edit: One other important point. A conversation takes two people. She is as equally responsible for keeping things going as you. As long as you are making the effort the other person has the responsibility to meet you half way.
Very simply said.. the anxiety of asking a girl out disappears when you are worthy, and not a wad. Right now you are convinced (rightfully so) that you are a wad.
Don't look to your external environment to make you better and happier, don't look to pills to solve deficits in character and wrong thinking and lack of discipline.
The answer to all your problems looks back at you from the mirror every goddamn day wondering when the fuck this guy is gonna get a clue and man up.
The answer to every single one of your questions is you, and it's time you enrolled in a martial arts program and learn discipline, self-reliance and self worth.
There are no answers in any bottle, pill, alcohol or weed. There is no solution in having someone else soothe your shortcomings since that puts an unfair burden on them and is unpleasant and won't last.
The whole idea of I need a woman to save me from the way I feel right now is pure idiocy.
Why do you want a girlfriend? Start with making friends in general. Get to know different people. Teach your coworkers to play Go.
Asking a girl out is easy for you because you have a defeatist attitude that's no different than the anxiety possessed by someone afraid of approaching girls. This seems to be your thought process on the situation:
In order to conquer one of your personal demons, you're going to have to force yourself to step out of your comfort zone by communicating with people face to face.
Think of it as just like posting a comment on reddit. You converse with strangers, just not in real life.
I relate with a lot of your story. I've never had problems with psychosis, but I've had more than my fair share of depression and anxiety and crippling social anxiety and most recently fucked up depersonalization symptoms. I'm also way behind for my age. I'm 24 and been on a handful of first dates off of craigslist and okcupid, but not much more, and I'm currently in another slump of fear and doubt.
Your experience with therapy was really unfortunate, but you've got to give yourself credit for trying. I'm personally trying to work up the courage to call and make an appointment. Maybe it's worth another shot with a different counselor?
My feeling lately is that people like you and I just need to find a way to leverage our strengths (you seem like a smarter than average guy). For example, I have very little anxiety giving technical presentations. There's got to be a way to translate that into social confidence when meeting new people. Know what I mean?
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Have you ever been tested for Asperger's Syndrome?
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It's not looking for more problems, it's looking for a potential explanation. It's looking for some answers after all that.
I think this was a deleted post, but whatever. I'm still alive.
After reading a bunch of these posts I ended up watching the finale of Battlestar Galactica (which was crap), and I finally realized something. I need to stop watching serious shows, I need to stop doing serious things, I need to stop looking at life as a serious issue and just live.
As for the other advice here, most of it is regurgitated crap that I've heard a million times before.
Alcohol is the worst idea, since the last time I drank I ended up extremely suicidal.
Marijuana just makes me go off into another universe where speech doesn't matter. I sometimes even try to speak to people around me while high and it just comes out as a maniacal laughter.
Maybe I don't. I generally don't like people and that might be what my problem is. I just assume I like women because I'm attracted to them, but since I have a natural aversion to communicating with people, maybe I don't actually "like" them.
So I think this boils down to just ignoring those attractions and to leave it at that. Try not to get down about it and just learn to accept it.
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Let's not encourage rape.
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So you're a psychotic suicidal 21 year old male who lives with his mother, and takes anti-depressants at the behest of your therapist (who you see regularly to manage your plethora of mental illnesses)? And to top it off, you are scared of everything?
And you want a girlfriend?
Good luck.
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No, it sounds like there's a married woman and a bitch... Hating one != hating all of them.