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Do you believe that Hinkie is blacklisted from working in the NBA?

With how many teams are openly trying to tank for better draft odds this season, wouldn't some team want to bring in the Tankfather himself to rebuild their rosters and accumulate dank assets?

Do you think Adam Silver has told owners not to hire him again?

If so, with that precedent set, do you think he will do the same for any other league GMs if they don't make competitive acquisitions going into next year?

Posted Apr 4, 2018, 10:50 PM UTC

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dafdiego777Rockets•

No - I'm guessing Hinkie doesn't need to go to a dumpster fire. He's probably holding out for the right job.

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wambamthankudan•

He's pretty good at the process of cultivating dumpster fires into fire teams.

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KCThunderThunder•

Nba drafts are so thin, most of them have a consensus draft order for the top 3 prior to the draft. Any idiot GM can get enough top picks and hope to strike gold.

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wambamthankudan•

Lol but not any idiot GM will trade away a dynasty.

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PhiladelphiaFishOP76ers•

You're saying the Tankfather is looking to change his reputation and establish himself as a legitimate GM?

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ratmeleon•

Hinkie's whole point was that to gain a true advantage in the league, you need to commit to doing something that no one else was doing.

He decided that this was a strategic commitment to acquiring draft picks to maximize the likelihood of drafting a franchise player. This lead to acquiring and hoarding first round and second round picks, as well as farming through the D-league to find NBA caliber players.

This advantage, for the most part, is now gone. With all of the teams not making the playoffs maneuvering for more and higher draft picks, this seems to be the new status quo.

The losing teams that become successful over the next decade will be the ones that execute The Process^TM best.

Hinkie changed the league. Everyone is trusting The Process^TM now.

Especially after how the 76ers are so successful with 3 potentially franchise changing stars on the roster.

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PhiladelphiaFishOP76ers•

When the league zigs, you gotta zag.

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TopographyDog76ers Bandwagon•

Just read his letter for the first time today. So pissed the League forced him out.

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SeaynO•

But imagine how many picks he could have if he traded Embiid, Simmons, Daric, RoCo and Fultz

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y_r_u_so_paranoid76ers•

To some degree, probably. Silver did have to run him out of the league to begin with after all.

The thing about Hinkie that a lot of people fail to recognize though is that he’s actually just a really good all-around GM. He doesn’t have to go somewhere that wants to tank, that was just the best strategy available to the Sixers after the failed Bynum trade. Hinkie is the one who orchestrated everything leading up to and including the Harden trade before he left Houston, just for reference. The guy would be an amazing GM regardless of which team he went to.

Personally I’m waiting for Embiid to stage a protest where he demands we bring back Hinkie, that is my favorite timeline.

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dunedog223[GSW] Stephen Curry•

Picking MCW,putting him with players that would make it seem like he’s good and then trading him away for assets was a stroke of genius.

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y_r_u_so_paranoid76ers•

Yeah jacking up the pace of the offense to artificially inflate his counting stats was also a pretty shrewd move. I actually do think he intended to turn MCW into a franchise PG when he drafted him though, but when he realized he wasn’t developing how he wanted and his shot wasn’t looking any better he didn’t hesitate to pull the trigger and trade him.

God I miss Hinkie so much...

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DramDemon[PHI] Tony Wroten•

I don’t think Hinkie upped the pace of the offense, that’s a coaching decision

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I told someone that Lonzo's situation reminds me a lot of MCW's. They disagreed, but it was a Laker's fan. What do you think?

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boc4life•

This is a good post. People act like Hinkie went into his interview and said “Here’s my brilliant plan. We are going to lose as many games as we can on purpose. We will get high draft picks. Then we will win.”

The truth is, Hinkie knew what phase of teambuilding the Sixers were at, and he acted accordingly. They didn’t need to sign crappy veterans like Monta Ellis to try to win a few extra games, they didn’t need to draft guys who were going to be immediately ready to contribute. If the rest of the league was going to undervalue players like Noel, Embiid, or Saric because they wouldn’t immediately contribute, Hinkie was ready to pounce on them.

It’s not a matter of intentionally bottoming out. It’s about understanding where your team stands and adapting to it. If Hinkie took over Milwaukee after this season, do people really think he would do the exact same thing he did in Philly? He might trade away some guys if he thought the rest of the league overvalued them, but he 100% wouldn’t just give Giannis away and try to get a bunch of ping pong balls.

Hinkie rarely talked about this stuff with the media though. He was notoriously unwilling to give away information, as he saw it as all downside with no upside. Much of how people view his philosophies has been assumed by people on the outside looking in.

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bahamutfan64Knicks•

He’s Morey’s protege.

I’m sure if he had a solid young team to work with, and not the Iggy-led, money-strapped, 36-38 win dumpster fire the 76ers were, he’d find a way to be successful.

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ChickenLiverNuts[PHI] JaKarr Sampson•

he didnt even have iggy, he was gone by the time of his hiring.

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lakerswizLakers•

To some degree, probably. Silver did have to run him out of the league to begin with after all.

There is no truth to this whatsoever and seeing it repeated over and over again is hilarious. It's verifiably untrue from every party involved and you guys still run with some grand ole conspiracy theory.

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nyuphirNBA•

Hinkie is awkward, dude. Watch his Sloan 2018 conference and you'll understand why he doesn't have a job at the moment

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y_r_u_so_paranoid76ers•

Yes, I’ve watched basically every interview/public speaking event the guy has ever done that’s online. He might be awkward, but he’s a bonafide genius. Anyone who isn’t hiring him because he’s socially awkward doesn’t deserve him to begin with.

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PhiladelphiaFishOP76ers•

He's really not that awkward imo, he seems decently funny and self-aware to me even if he's a bit of a nerd.

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goodname_Trail Blazers•

I think a part of it is that he's not interested in another sixers-style job where he has to do all the dirty work only to not be there to reap all the reward. So he's going to ask for more control than what most orgs will be comfortable with

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literallyHakeem76ers•

Maybe not blacklisted, but at the very least owner have to be hesitant to hire him based on the backlash they'd receive.

but he would work wonders for franchises like the Hornets, Magic, Bulls, and Suns IMO.

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temp_achilWarriors•

I don't think it's the external backlash--at this point the Hinckie cult is strong and all the writers would love it and the process truthers would be out in force on the internet.

The thing is that putting him in charge would make all the current front office people nervous--Hinckie wants full control and confidence from above, and there is pretty good chance that in recommending him to their owner as GM, the other members of the FO will cost themselves their power and/or job. That means that his only likely opportunity will come in a complete FO rebuild which only happens when ownership changes (like it did in Philly), and that doesn't happen that often. Maybe Memphis or NO this year, but neither of those are a perfect match.

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kkezzJazz•

Sam Hinkie died for our sins

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DancesAroundPool•

I believe he's blacklisted to a degree where NBA teams can't hire him but many GMs use him as a consultant and trust his word highly

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Well considering how he got dragged away from Philly. Probably? They would not let him get hired elsewhere and do the same thing

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LukeBron[MIA] Dexter Pittman•

I don't think there's an official blacklist. I think the league might raise some eyebrows if a team hired him after a season or two of underperforming

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ddottay[CLE] Zydrunas Ilgauskas•

No. I don't think many teams really want to tank to god awful levels of bad in hopes of maybe getting lucky in the draft lottery to find players.

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aaahhhh[GSW] Dajuan Wagner•

No team wants to admit to their fanbase that they're actively tanking. Hiring Hinkie would make it too obvious.

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6ers[PHI] Joel Embiid•

Tanking isn't the only thing Hinkie can do. He has stated multiple times that was the best road to a championship because of their awful roster.

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aaahhhh[GSW] Dajuan Wagner•

Sure, that's the whole philosophy behind tanking. 76ers didn't give him a chance to prove he could turn that losing in to winning, and it seems that now, no other team wants to give him that opportunity either. Clearly, he did a fantastic job with you guys right up until the moment he was (arguably unfairly) ousted.

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Good point lol

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gamehead36Celtics•

I mean I hate the warriors too but damn lol u/aaahhhh said the same shit as others in different words and gets downvoted, come on yall. I'm a celtics fan though so who's gonna listen to me lol

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bahamutfan64Knicks•

Living in Philly at the time, the post-Bynum 76ers headed by Doug Collins were the very definition of a unwatchable basketball team.

Long twos galore, inefficient isos left and right, nabbing the 7th or 8th seed, and getting curb stomped in the first round.

That is far, far worse imho than bottoming out so you can cash out on draft picks.

If the NBA doesn’t like it, they should change the draft rules. The Suns have sucked for just as long as the 76ers have, yet all they have to show for it is Booker. The Magic have even less in AG. The 76ers on the other hand have transcendent talent, and this team has the potential to be the best 76er iteration since 2001.

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deadskin[TOR] Jose Calderon•

Tanking isn't gonna be as effective next season though

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deadskin[TOR] Jose Calderon•

The new draft odds aren't just for one season either.

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