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lf11

Why Corporations Suck

When will people wake up to the fact that corporations exist as agents of the State? Corporate charters can only be issued by governments. Without governments, corporations cannot exist. Ever since the first corporation was ever created, the purpose of these is to perform some act of governance or task in the world that the government (for whatever reason) is unwilling or unable to do. And the stockholders are the ranks and untold countless ranks of minor nobility who profit from these actions.

Because make no mistake, the purpose of Western government is to conquer and exploit. That was the purpose of the Roman government -- whose symbol of the fasces we still carry proudly -- and it remains the purpose of government to this day.

However, the power of government has been reigned in by a thousand chains, from the Magna Carta to the Common Law to jury nullification to the Bill of Rights and countless other checks and balances to control this voracious and malicious appetite.

So the State created corporations in order to fulfill this duty of exploitation. These corporations are largely free from the chains with which we have bound the State. There is no democratic process: only the nobility/stockholders have a voice. There is no bill of rights to force corporations to honor and protect our human rights of speech and self-defense, because the "bill of rights" only applies to the State. If we have a dispute, it is not settled by jury trial but rather private courts which are also State-chartered corporations. Our prisons, our food, our water, our medicine, our sports, our education, literally every aspect of our lives has become infected by this pernicious State-chartered exploitation.

And people wonder what is wrong. Like a fish, you cannot see the water you swim in.

Posted Apr 6, 2018, 11:59 AM UTC

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qwerty420-•

There is a reason why some of the first cases heard in court after the 14th amendment was passed where about corporate personages, and how the corporations would be considered a person in all aspects of the law. Pretty heavy stuff when you really get To reading up on it. This system has been a long time in the works and it's really pay for itself now.

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plato_thyself•

Also the idea that 'corporations are people' is built on an incredible 19th-century lie

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qwerty420-•

Good read, imagine if that had never happened. Have you ever researched the original 13th. It has to do with titles of nobility, no one with a title of nobility( esq, is one there are others) they can't hold public office. Think about that no lawyers in public office.

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Loose-ends•

People can be put in jail for their misdeeds and will also grow old and eventually die one day, not so for corporations that can continue to pile up wealth over successive generations without such obstacles to interfere with it.

They also have been extended the right to to sue for liable if their reputation is damaged although the laws regarding that were established strictly for an individual human being's reputation and character being unfairly maligned.

Somewhere along the line our human equality under the law was given to these non human entities that have numerous unfair advantages over us in any court that we might take any dispute with them to be resolved. Advantages that negate the equality and fairness of treatment we are supposed to be guaranteed between one another.

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Michaatje•

Have you ever watched the award-winning documentary "The Corporation"? There's no question in my mind that corporations in the U.S. have the legal status of a person. How many times have you seen a CEO thrown into jail after his/her company was found guilty on fraud charges? Almost none, the company pays a fine because you can't jail a company.

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plato_thyself•

A great documentary that is permanently stickied on the sidebar of r/NoCorporations. Understanding corporate personhood (and the lie that it's based on) is essential for navigating today's socioeconomic issues and opportunities.

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lf11OP•

Just to be clear, what I call "duty of exploitation" is what is called in the business world, "profit." Make no mistake, for-profit corporations have a duty to exploit, and anyone with any real sense of perspective in the business world will understand what I am talking about.

There are non-profit corporations, and there are for-profit corporations that try to be compassionate in the world. That's fine, they are the equivalent of those angry rogue Scottish clans that everyone pretends don't exist. They have no real effect on the world and although they do not contribute to the problem, they also do not contribute to a solution. In fact, they are prohibited from contributing to a solution by the legal and financial strictures of nonprofits.

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bombsaway1979•

The state didn't 'start' corporations. Ruthless capitalists did. They then, in turn, took over the state.

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lf11OP•

Capitalism is the democratization of conquest economics, and communism is its ultimate endgame. But corporations came before capitalism, so your claim is simply nonsensical. Capitalists didn't "take over" the state, capitalism never existed apart from the State in the first place. The whole point of capitalism is to continue the game of exploitation and conquest when the State became too fettered with rules to continue.

What was the first corporation ever formed, who formed it, and why did they form it?

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bombsaway1979•

first corporation was in like the 1500s or something...a mine...falun or something yah? Formed to protect ownership and their interests in perpetuity.

I'm talking about the modern US corporation, specifically when the robber barons successfully pulled off using the 14th amendment (which was intended to stop persecution of blacks & mexicans in reconstruction era south) be redefined as 'artificial persons' to 'persons' as defined by the 14th.

It's been a slow, boa-constrictor squeeze ever since, and now we're at the natural evolution of it, where corporate desires trump the desires of the people 10/10 times.

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lf11OP•

The first corporation was the Dutch East India company, which sponsored much of the European planetary conquest while paying an 18% dividend for more than 300 years to its shareholders (most of whom were nobility).

Don't be distracted by modern refinements. The original purpose of corporations has never changed. "Capitalism" is simply a philosophical statement of this technique as a discrete ideology.

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bombsaway1979•

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Mine ^it was actually 1300s

DEI was first CHARTERED 'modern' corp.

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plato_thyself•

r/NoCorporations welcomes you

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MKWalt•

corporations can only take your money if you voluntarily give it to them. they can't use guns and force to seize your money through tax like the state can.

unlike the state, corporations have competition so they have to fight for your voluntary use.

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lf11OP•

corporations can only take your money if you voluntarily give it to them. they can't use guns and force to seize your money through tax like the state can.

Depends on the corporation. Some corporations operate as actual police, and of course we have a huge number of private prisons, not to mention the domestic and international security companies.

unlike the state, corporations have competition so they have to fight for your voluntary use.

The fact that you voluntarily expend the sum of your life to fill their coffers only makes the chains that much tighter.

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MKWalt•

Private prisons can't imprison you. Only government can.

The fact that you INVOLUNTARILY get your shit seized from the state is the problem. You're talking shit

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lf11OP•

The State maintains its power and jurisdiction as needed, extending its power through corporations wherever convenient to escape oversight.

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MKWalt•

Only because the state has grown and uses force. The involuntary state is the enemy not the voluntary corporations

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