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BW11

How to be more efficient as Rogue in RLS?

I'm playing with friends at pretty low ELO and I'm personally having issues with my damage, doing only around 16m damage in a 4 minute game. On top of that, I'm trying my best to lock down the enemy healer (sap, blind when no trinket, 5cp kidney outside of DR) but that just doesn't seem to cut it.

For the opener I'm doing CS, Garrote, 3cp Rupture, Vendetta (when no ret paladin), KB, Toxic Blade, Kidney Shot, then Mut to 5cp into Envenom until... whatever happens. I'm also trying to apply Creeping Venom/ruptures to other targets between cooldowns but I don't know if that's worth it.

Anyone with RLS experience that can give pointers?

Posted Apr 19, 2018, 10:32 PM UTC

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Goldensands2.5 multiclass•

Rogues dmg rotation is a tad complicated so chances are you can optimize yours some. For starters: CS - Mutilate - Garrote - rupture. That way you get some of the silence duration of the garrote in there. Dont worry 2 much about going over the 5cp limit. At this point i tend to kings bane then vendetta, that way you get the max of the + energy of it. Vendetta when no ret pala? Not following. Forgot what KB is? - you should use toxic blade after kidney shot if possible tho, i believe it synergizes with envenom, so thats what you'll want to spend your combo points on. It also buffs kingsbane, but thats complicated - google it for more info. As for whetever its worth putting rupture on other targets, thats the main thing your missing for sure - it absolutely is, its the only way you'll generate energy (check your spellbook and be sure to take the talent that improves it). For RLS in particular this is crucial, try putting garrote on everything aswell when you vanish. (it has no cd when used from or 3 secs after stealth, assuming ur talenting okey. Speaking of, are you sure your talents are ok?) Best of luck, any questions feel free

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BW11OP•

Hey thanks a bunch for answering man

For starters: CS - Mutilate - Garrote - rupture.

That seems like a really good idea, will try

Vendetta when no ret pala? Not following.

BoP removes/hinders Vendetta so I try to bait it out first, then I Vendetta on the next go. Should I let the shaman purge and go ham instead?

Forgot what KB is?

Kingsbane

As for whetever its worth putting rupture on other targets, thats the main thing your missing for sure - it absolutely is, its the only way you'll generate energy

I forgot about that interaction! Definitely seems important. Does it work with Creeping Venom?

try putting garrote on everything aswell when you vanish.

I try, but it's really hard against double caster... when sprint is down I can maybe hit the healer and someone close to them if they are hugging, or someone in front of me and then step-garrote the healer

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Goldensands2.5 multiclass•

Ah right, i figured you woulda said Hpala if the BoP thing was what you were thinking of. You can do what your doing, but you dont wonna hold it forever either - any moment your not doing it is moments not spend on its cooldown ticking. I'd say a good thumb rule is: Is your warlock able to get some dmg out right now? Chances are you should join him - if you think you joining without vendetta will be enough to force something, you can wait, otherwise use it. This is something you'll get a sense of with experience and it depends a lot on the enemy comp and how your opener went. Hope that makes sense. As for toxic blade and creeping venom I'm not sure, have a google. If it does tho id say thats a very distant 3rd priority. On the garrote thing: use it when they are close together or when you have shadowstep/sprint (make sure u still have cloak/evasion or ur just sure ur not gonna die)

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biblestudyTV•

Just wanted to interject here for one second in terms of your burst. When you're all-in on a target, you'll want to open with Kidney Shot.

From there, I Vendetta/Orc Racial macro, Toxic Blade, Kingsbane, then basically just Mutilate and Envenom spam.

This is the maximum amount of burst you can do, and Legion is burst.

First, the Kidney Shot increases the damage they take by 15% due to Prey on the Weak. Vendetta 2nd means that both your Toxic Blade and Kingsbane will deal additional damage with their initial hit when you use them, and they can hit pretty hard, especially if they crit. The downside to this is that you miss out on Vendetta granting you energy during the burst window, so just make sure you're close to full energy when you Kidney.

Also, I'm fairly certain that Kingsbane's initial damage burst of damage is a poison, so anytime you're using the two just as a micro-burst, always always use Toxic Blade and then Kingsbane. I was missing out on that for so long.

And back to putting Rupture on other targets, you always want to have Rupture and a Poison on two targets. You receive increased energy regeneration for every target affected by both a poison and a bleed from you. This is why you'll see sin rogues using Fan of Knives anytime there's two people nearby, to refresh the poison to off-targets, however throwing knife works just as well to keep things refreshed from afar. Having that increased energy regen will have you mashing mutilates all day instead of feeling energy starved.

Since the Warlock is probably the kill target for enemy teams usually, you have the option to use your Vanish aggressively most of the time. Vanish for an in-combat silence from Garrote on the healer, Vanish off of your blinds to get Saps, etc.

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w_p2.2 rsham•

Are you ok? Are you really sure you play a rogue?

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BW11OP•

Is there something wrong with his advice?

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Goldensands2.5 multiclass•

people are bitter - it sadly happens a lot that you get random hate on here. Ignore and go on enjoying wow pvp <3

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ppadge•

It is most definitely worth to keep rupture up on multiple targets. Hitting a target for cp's into a rupture will passively apply your poisons, which will proc venomous wounds, giving you +10 energy with every tick. So having rupture/poisons up on multiple targets increases your energy regen by shitloads, which then increases your damage by shitloads.

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BW11OP•

Thanks mate, I will try to keep Rupture up more

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Greek___Geek2.2k Rogue•

A huge thing that I noticed when I was playing RLS... and losing a decent amount... was not putting up poisons on EVERYONE. Always keep 100% poison uptime on every single person. Rot rot rot. Try to keep rupture on at least two targets as well. Don't spend 10 seconds waddling to someone just to rupture them though.

Also, most of the time you're gonna wanna be on the enemy healer. As soon as he trinkets, and you have a good opening to kidney/vendetta someone, take it. Blind that healer then swap onto a kidney/vendetta on someone and make sure to coordinate that with your partner. Have him fear off the other guy just before you get there. So call out hey fear X and I'll come kidney.

RLS is super fun to play and has a lot of different kill opportunities. Good luck :)

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locky_charms2.4xp aff•

watch jax's stream. try to get multiple garottes. spread poisons

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Kasp217•

Where you say You're "locking down the healer", it might be possible you're sacrificing a lot to cc the healer. As a sub rogue you have the liberty to KS the healer and CS the dps, but you don't get that liberty as an assassin rogue. You should always be looking to kill your target in a kidney shot without trinket. If you set it up right with all of your damage cds you should be able to nearly solo anyone in a kidney shot if they don't have trinket or defensives they can use while stunned. That is not to say if youre able to land a kill with the kidney on the healer and follow up cc from your team mats by a means do what gets the kill. Vendetta is basically 1min30 CD, you should be able to get first trinket on your primary kill target in the first 30 seconds by kidney vendetting the target with cc on the healer (or if you're on the healer) and then kill that target 1 min 30 later when they don't have trinket and you have vendetta. As I've seen other people already point out, once vendetta is over you want to focus on rupturing each target. you want to FoK if you can hit multiple targets cause you only get the energy regen if you have a poison on them when they are bled. The thing about RLS is you have 2 classes which thrive off multi target dps, and no cc other than blind that takes dots off, so you want to rot as much as possible then use your big damage on guaranteed kills. Some set ups you can look for are no trinket on the healer or dps, blind (if you have it) the healer and kidney the kill target and call for follow up cc on the healer, either cap stun, hex, coil, dr Fear. The easiest kill set ups I'd assume are on healers with no trinket or defensives which work through stun (pain sup, pally everything) Also make sure your shaman is running cap stun as you don't have enough stuns as assass to really DR each other.

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