Most euphoric RC benzo that isn't so sedating I'll pass out.

Hey friends. I've had a lot of experience with benzos in my life. My favorite functional benzo is Valium, however I don't find it recreational except at extremely high doses. I've got an extreme dislike for Xanax because I have a very low tolerance to losing all motor functions and blacking out on it. Klonopin is okay, but nothing special. I find Ativan extremely euphoric but short-lived. Etizolam is very relaxing but isn't very euphoric for me. My gold standard for benzos is Temazepam, a rarely prescribed short-term sleep aid, but it's almost impossible to get.

I've never tried Clonazolam, Diclazepam, Flubromazolam, Flubromazepam, or Flualprazolam. I have no worries about volumetric dosing, as I've done it several times in the past with no problems.

So again, I'm looking for the most euphoric benzo that's not too sedating. Something I can get fucked up on but not be incoherent and/or pass out on. Can anyone help me out?

Posted Apr 25, 2018, 9:11 AM UTC

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Angusticlavius•

For some people clonazolam is very euphoric; but for me it isnt and it carries a high risk of amnesia. Diclazepam is long lasting, especially suited for tapering but not euphoric for most people. Together with flubromazolam and flubromazepam it has a (very) long half-life which can be a disadvantage if you plan to dose more frequently.

Is it essential for you that its a benzodiazepine? Otherwise you can try phenibut which provides euphoria without too much sedation.

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TraumaEffectOP•

Although I'm not gonna remove it from the potential options, clonazolam worries me because of the stories I've heard about the extremely quick tolerance build up. Some time ago I read a post saying the most euphoric benzo was either flubromazepam or flubroamzolam, but now I can't find that post. I've had a valium prescription for about 20 years, so I'm pretty good with long-acting benzos and don't believe the long half-life would be a problem.

I haven't researched phenibut. I'll have to look into that, thanks.

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BackhandCompliment•

Honestly I haven’t heard of a euphoric, non-sedating functional benzo. They all either have their downsides (short acting, amnesic, etc) or have extreme tolerance build up and addiction benzos.

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kalakoi•

Flubromazolam is pretty euphoric with not as much sedation as flualprazolam or phenazepam. I've heard good things about clonazolam but have yet to dip into my stock of that particular benzo.

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IMG_9999•

Really ?? All I've read about Flubromazolam is how hypnotic is it !

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kalakoi•

It can get pretty hypnotic at higher doses, but at 0.25mg it wasn't overpowering and was very much enjoyable

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meprobamatedowned•

have you tried bromazepam ? i found it pretty close to ativan. not an rc though

also i've heard of pyrazolam, and nitrazolam which are supposed to be less hypnotic if i'm correct.

also how about etizolam ?

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MmmmMorphine•

I'd say Pyrazolam leans more towards the functional/sedative side (as opposed to hypnotic) and shares some of Diazepam's character. Certainly more 'recreational' than diazepam with a slightly better side-effect profile if you're not looking to just conk out

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TraumaEffectOP•

Etizolam is very relaxing but isn't very euphoric for me.

Got 200mg of them right now. I'm on probation, so I'm trying to stay away from anyting that's actually scheduled. Got caught with 440 Xanax, I think it would reflect poorly on me if I got caught with even more scheduled benzos. Are you positive Bromazolam is scheduled drug though?

I've also read that pyrazolam isn't very euphoric and that it's much more functional. Haven't heard much about Nitrazolam. Any further info would be much appreciated though.

**Edit - It seems like people are saying Nitrazolam is more of a funcitonal benzo too.

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meprobamatedowned•

I was talking about bromazepam, not bromazolam. Bromazepam is scheduled though.

Like that other guy said, you might not be looking for a benzos, they're generally not euphoric. Youre last bet is clonazolam and it would most definitely send you to prison

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[deleted]•

op are you in Europe. Your post makes is sounds like you are. You will have some different options than more people on this website.

I am just guessing because most american have never seen prescription bromazepam.

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TraumaEffectOP•

Nope, USA. Colorado. Yes, I have never heard of prescription bromazepam. That's why I questioned whether it was scheduled. I've been prescribed just about every benzo in existance, and have never gotten bromazepam.

Edit: Spelling

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4HO-DMT•

Clam

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throwaway34441144•

The best rc benzos are very potent, so it's gonna be hard. Basically it costs around the same to make 1 g clonazolam as it does 1 g diclazepam. So why bother with diclazepam since it's not only weaker but garbage like lorazepam too.

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TraumaEffectOP•

Isn't that why god made PG solutions?

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throwaway34441144•

Yeah, just pointing out that flunitrazolam is a lot stronger, sedating and shorter lasting than what op might be looking for.

If he likes lorazepam, diclazepam feels very similar (aka both feel like shit) but might be more suited to his needs.

There's also bromazolam, nitrazolam, metizolam, fonazepam, nifoxipam, ... which op might like it more.

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Chernos•

I've found F'lam to be the biggest tolerance raiser out of all of them. I better start calling it flubromazalam now that theres flualprazolam around which could confuse things. I've not tried that one yet though.

Favs of mine, which could be the opposite to you it seems, would be Diaz, Alpraz and Clonaz. Never been impressed by Loraz or etiz though. Usually only good when mixed with something else but I do have somewhat of a tolerance.

Euphoria I only achieved when I very first started with benzos. I really only use them for anxiety or when needing to end a stim session nowdays. I try to use as infrequent as I can because tolerance is a biatch. I have bad anxiety so it's always tempting.

If you have black out problems with Alpraz I'd stay well clear of flubromazalam. The crazy effect on tolerance alone is enough to keep me away from them. I'd use only in emergencies for sleep. It's just not worth the tolerance gain for me.

I'd also stay away from Clonaz if I was you. I like it a lot for anxiety but if you try to get mashed up on it things will end badly. It's the best I know of for giving people feelings of sobriety. There are many stories around of people going on benzo missions and waking up in jail for shoplifting and the like with no idea what they did. It's easy to have an extra half a pellet and boom! blackout or benzo mission with no memory of what happened. I've heard quite a few stories of people going through there whole stashes after taking clonaz. They wanted to get wrecked and woke up surrounded by empty bags they'd been collecting for years. It has a slowish onset which can be deceiving.

I've found f'pam to be okay for long lasting anxiety relief. Like 2 or 3 days, but it can also take 3 hours to feel it so wait it out before redosing. I always thought it was a bit like a cross between diaz and clonazapam but longer lasting. I'm sure not everyone would think that but it is to me, although I haven't much experience of c'pam to be that familiar of late.

Diclaz i've always found a little weird, sometimes slightly disphoric. Nothing like the confidence inspiring diaz to me, it feels a little edgy, but it's cheap and plentiful, well it was, so I make use of it for anxiety. Mixing with etiz or pyrazolam makes it a lot more usefull to me,. I don't understand why people love etiz so much, I'd take Alpraz over that every time.

I don't expect I'm helping much so I'll try and wrap up soon lol. Differences in opinions are always going to be around for drugs, medications, rc's. I think tolerance combined with body chemistry etc and we get totally different effects. It's important to listen to many viewpoints to get a good idea of how you think you might react to a substance.

I find pyrazolam usefull for anxiety without any sedation, it's good if you need to stay alert but just with less anxiety. Job interviews etc.

A couple that are somewhat interesting, if you can get them are norflurazapam and meclonazapam (I hope my spellings somewhat close to being correct) Both a little similar to diaz imo.

As for your question 'So again, I'm looking for the most euphoric benzo that's not too sedating. Something I can get fucked up on but not be incoherent and/or pass out on. Can anyone help me out?'

To me thats how these things are. Most fun is also the most sedating. Getting fkd up is being incoherant or passing out. Temazepam was abused massively by heroin users here and it's probably very difficult to ever get it from a Dr nowdays, but thats really sedating etc and leaves people asleep on top of the fridge not having a clue what they did, so maybe you are after getting wrecked.

Best advice is to buy only a small amount of things like clonaz and give any stash to someone to look after if possible because it can mess you up without you even realizing it. I use only for anxiety and still woke up with no recollection of going to bed. I thought I was safe from that by being disciplined and having a tolerance from decades of self medicating.

My tolerance went up when I discovered rc benzos were legal. So many to try and work out which was best for me in different scenarios. I thought sticking to once a week testing i'd not get such a rise but it happened, and it doesn't want to go down without a long absence. I mean it's nothing compared to some people and i'm glad i've resisted addiction by not getting into daily use, but when you plan to make them last but tolerance goes from 1 pellet to 2 and then 3, 4 length of supply has just been quartered. Initial calculations out the window lol.

Many say clonaz as being euphoric, but it's not a word I'd use for any benzo except maybe when it's their first year of trying any and it's most fun. I find clonaz functional, as do some others I know. Yes it's very strong which makes it reliable to me but I always feel I could easily slip up on it due to slight lessoning of tolerance if I've managed to abstain a bit longer than usual.

I like stims to make me feel good and remocve anxiety, but thats a whole other kettle of fish. Benzo tolerance is tiny compared to stim tolerance for me :)

Be safe.

For reference I've spent many a time experimenting with phenibut as so many seem to love it but it just doesn't come close to a benzo for me. I either get nothing or just feel a bit annoyingly dizzy. I've tried many different amounts over the years without much in the way of success. I wish I could enjoy it. I'll give it another try but im not too hopefull.

I did enjoy kratom but that turned into a 7 year or so addiction that needed feeding every few hours. Good stuff though.

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bartard2017•

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tacoplayer•

Fluclotizolam

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TraumaEffectOP•

Never heard of this one, I'll have to check it out. Thanks!

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Jmths•

Something I can get fucked up on but not be incoherent and/or pass out on. Can anyone help me out?

I consider all benzos sedating, mentaly if not physicly.

Etizolam is relatively mild on sedation and compared to most benzos relatively recreational.

Flunitrazolam is the most euphoric option.

But benzos arn't very recreational or euphoric imo, just go for opiates if it's the chase you're after.

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TraumaEffectOP•

Flunitrazolam sounds very promising. I'm seriously considering making a purchase, I like that it's so short acting. Sometimes I got shit to do.

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Jmths•

Flunitrazepam (Rhopynol) also known as 'roofies' is one of the if not the most potent pharmaceutical benzodiazepines around. There is a study that claims Flunitrazepam has more neurotoxic risk then other pharamaceutical benzodiazepines.

The triazole addition to Flunitrazolam doesn't change the receptor binding, stronger peak, shorter duration. Among all benzos I've abused Flunitrazolam most by far. And altough the effects are different in nature, it came pretty/somewhat close to opiates. :p

Unlike most benzodiazepines Flunitrazolam is water soluble, like Midazolam, wich facilitates RoA's other then oral.

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TraumaEffectOP•

Got a link to that study? I'd be curious to read it.

Do you think nootropics could help to offset the neurotoxicity? I'm assuming that the neurotoxicity is specific to GABA receports, or am I wrong?

Thanks for the info btw.

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BigLebowskiBot•

You're not wrong, Walter, you're just an asshole.

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Jmths•

Sorry, cba to go searching for it.

But I think you'll easly find Flunitrazepam is one of the most potent if not the most potent pharmaceutical benzodiazepine.

It's not neurotoxity I'd be worried about in the first place but the addiction potential and withdrawals it can cause. Flunitrazolam's triazole addition causes a stronger onset/peak and shorter duration wich adds further to addiction and withdrawal potential.

With substances this potent I don't think 'nootropics' will have significant effect.

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PabloTizCabar•

Low dose clon

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