Vigs, don't shoot while town is ahead.
I had a ranked game tonight where I was serial killer. From the beginning, the game seemed to be going very well. Mafioso left day 1, GF was jailed night 1 and lynched day 2. New mafioso was shot by vig night 2 and janitor was lynched day 3. Jester was lynched day 4, and by the start of day 5, I won.
Wait, what? How did town lose that? Answer: through a series of overconfidence and simple mistakes that all added up to them losing despite ONLY LYNCHING EVILS.
The first mistake was actually lynching the godfather on day 2. Town lynched the GF day 2 without voting for any roles. The optimal play here would have been to vote 2-3 people up, if one of them seems like evil then lynch it and you have information and possibly another evil dead, then you can execute the GF that night (so that jailor has a confirmed evil to execute and so that mafia can't kill that night). Instead, they lynched the GF, meaning that jailor was not able to safely execute and mafia was able to kill night 2.
TP had been killed by me n1, so both Mafia and SK (me) attacked the jailor n2 -- There was actually a RT BG, but he wasn't paying attention and went afk because town was so far ahead, so jailor died. Luckily for town, the mafioso got shot - a good play, right? Not really. There was almost no information from day 2 other than the votes on the GF, and based on what I said, it was actually a good idea for evils to lynch the GF there.
That day, town lynched the janitor based on a conflicting claim. This was a good play and at this point there were 7 townies and two evils alive. Surely no way of losing, right?
That's what town thought too. Vigs got overconfident about the assured win, and both of them shot suspicious people that night -- and both were townies. SK didn't even get a kill (I was transed into attacking myself), though, so it was still 5 townies and 2 evils left. But that doesn't change the fact that both vigs shot townies when the only non-immune evil left was jester (and NE could easily be exe or even witch, both of which would be immune).
That day, town once again made a suboptimal play due to overconfidence. Miscounting the numbers and thinkin g that they had a huge majority, they decided to lynch the confirmed NE (which said that one of the confirmed Vigs was SK). This ended up being jester.
That was where the game ended. Both vigilantes died of guilt, I killed the spy, and jester killed the invest (I asked him to kill the trans, but that worked too). SK won.
Don't be overconfident in a game where town seems to be in the lead - executing or shooting town is literally one of the ONLY ways that you can lose in this situation, and this town learned that the hard way.
Log of the game if anyone's interested: http://www.blankmediagames.com/Trial/viewReport.php?id=1332064
Posted May 14, 2018, 6:49 AM UTC
I'm aware that you shouldn't, it was just a bad hiccup on my part. (and the other Vigi's but that's not the point.)
I can't say that I made the right call, but I don't think I made the wrong call either given the lack of hindsight. My mindset when I shot was basically this: Nobody except the other Vigilante and the Transporter are proven. We have plenty of town left, sure, but they're gonna go for weak claims and I am one of those. Looking at the game thus far, it can be assumed the NE is Jester so I can kill someone. (Not many whispers excluding the ones to Jailor and no real unjustified callouts by anyone, denoting Witch and Exe in my mind respectively) feyre seemed like the obvious target since his N1 and N2 were people who died on that night.
I'm not saying I was in the right, that was just my mentality.
As for the other Vigi, I'm not sure what his justification was but I definitely thought Bayley was questionable as an NE too because of what he said on D2:
James Bayley: cek James Bayley: im lagging
He also abstained on Shook (Personally I don't find that suspicious, but that was probably his reasoning) and even if Bayley did claim during the day, he'd be lynched as it stands since he let the Jailor die.
Side note: "Diogenes: 3 is SK then" Many regrets.
Oh, I absolutely don't question the targets that you chose, both of them were very suspicious. I actually did think that feyre was evil too (I actually thought he was the last mafia, which was why I pushed to lynch the jailed janitor) since he was in the mafioso's will. But shooting them instead of lynching was really not a good idea imo; there were like 3 TI claims alive that would be able to get more concrete info meaning that the SK would almost certainly be in conflict that day.
Definitely- shooting was not a wise choice and you said it yourself, "Vigs got overconfident about the assured win". I do my very best to avoid things like this but it happens I suppose. I accept I made a mistake.
Congrats on the masters NK win btw :)
Thanks. +1 elo lol, it’s not even worth it when I got +4 as town and +9 as exe turned jester on the same day.