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r/feedthebeast•
everseeking

New Content Rules

Fellow Modded Blockheads,

First, hope your weekend turned out to be pleasant. Secondly, myself and the other mods have been discussing some new content posting rules and well, they are rolling out effective immediately.

More rules you say? Yup, more rules - but rules that most people have already been following and we just needed to get them down on paper. This is of course the first iteration, so the rules may be subject to some tweaks as we see how they play out.

The "new" rules can be found here.

A quick TL;DR:

  • No spamming bug fix/mod updates
  • No dropping links to live streams
  • We want to see creators interact with the subreddit when sharing their content - no dropping links to YT videos from people that have little to no history around the subreddit
  • For self-promotion, 2 posts maximum per 14 day rolling window

Also, are you a streamer? Well, be sure to follow the modmail outline (on the rules page) to be included in a new wiki page hosting a collection of all streamers.

May your week begin with as few creeper explosions as possible,

Everseeking

Posted May 28, 2018, 12:03 AM UTC · edited

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Madxmike•

If a mod creator is adding new content to a mod, and they want to show off it / get feedback from the subreddit would they be restricted by

No spamming bug fix/mod updates

or

For self-promotion, 2 posts maximum per 14 day rolling window

These type of posts have appeared fairly frequently since the creation of the sub, and IMO are usually interesting content. I would hate for people to not being able to show off their new ideas because of the new rules.

Edit: examples include stuff like McJyty's many many pictures and gifs showing updates or the recent updates on vazkii's new mod.

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everseekingOPMODModerator•

Thanks for the feedback, I'll see how we can clarify this - it was primarily targeting people that do let's plays or spotlights, so they didn't have free reign to use the sub as their personal advertising platform.

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vMambaaa•

I know vallen sometimes posts when he makes a new spotlight but I think he's one of the best in the business so I don't mind it. This sub really isn't that busy.

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12foo•

To be honest, I'd far prefer one of Vallen's mod spotlights over an in-progress update GIF for a mod I can't even play yet because it's still in closed alpha.

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everseekingOPModerator•

He is a great contributor to this sub and I agree, but we have seen a few complaints (of course, it is the internet after all).

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The_Black_Inside•

Doesn't reddit handle "complaints" natively via the up/downvotes? People who become tiresome and spam crap will get downvoted unless others want to see their content. Why should the moderators get involved?

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Madxmike•

Can you give some examples of this even happening? I have browsed /new religiously for years and I can not even think of one person who has constantly spammed their content.

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greenphlemModerator•

Because we've removed them lol

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Madxmike•

Unless there is something I'm missing then the posts are not instantly removed. I've seen hundreds of threads removed after I have read them and have never seen an example of this.

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ZoneRangerMCFTB•

Hmm, try looking at https://snew.github.io/r/feedthebeast/ if you want to see what the mods remove.

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BordListianBWA/Soot•

no dropping links to YT videos from people that have little to no history around the subreddit

man i sure wish the best video content wasn't made by people that categorically deny using reddit

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SeriousCreeperYouTuber / Modpack Dev•

While i think the self-promotion part seems fine, this specific rule seems odd.

That means people can't post links to videos from people such as direwolf, chosenarchitect, etc?

Unless the wording on that rule is strange (at least to someone whose first language isn't english).

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everseekingOPMODModerator•

I'll see how we can clarify this one a bit, it's more for people promoting their own content, but also includes others sharing videos. There's been a few people that just create content around popular games, and have seen them make like one or two videos for modded but really aren't a part of the community past dropping their videos - we like it when people are a part of the sub, when it's more than just getting people to view their YT channel.

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Madxmike•

People are part of the sub

How is this determined. Is there a karma minimum or is this just subjective?

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AjreilProject Gear pack dev (WIP, looking for devs)•

I would probably base it on how much they know about modded Minecraft. Most of the videos I don't like are from people trying out Tinkers' for the first time or spending the first 15 minutes looking through JEI and chopping down one tree.

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everseekingOPMODModerator•

No set karma minimum, a tad subjective, but we do look through posting/comment history when new names pop up that are sharing content in the sub.

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SeriousCreeperYouTuber / Modpack Dev•

Gotcha, then i misunderstood indeed! Yeah some more clarification would be appreciated.

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LezzChap•

I understand not dropping links to a standard "Let's Play" or to a channel, things of that nature. I'm wondering, does this include links to interesting or unique builds...sometimes a video is better than an imgur album attempting to showcase the thing thing.

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Silver_Moonrox•

I was hoping for some editing/removals of rules 3/4 and 6. Exploits and bugs can be interesting and amusing, and would just add to the content here. I think as long as the exploit/bug being posted is reported to the mod author there shouldn't be any problems with it, and while that may be harder to moderate, it's better than unnecessarily restricting what can be posted here.

Rule 6 is vague and the way it's been enforced recently is frustrating imo. Healthy discussions have been locked because a moderator considered a "drama" post, and I don't really see why avoiding drama with a rule against it is necessary anyways. I understand the community had issues with drama a long time ago but almost every time it resulted in constructive discussions about the community and modding in general. Can we at least get an explanation of why the moderators think this rule is necessary?

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everseekingOPMODModerator•

I'll bring up all your points with the other mods. I've seen this brought up recently and we still have to discuss them.

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Silver_Moonrox•

Glad to hear it, I look forward to any further responses :)

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Inquisitr•

Just to second his concerns. One man's exploit is another man's way to play the game from now on. An besides, finding new and fun way to break things ala Soaryn is half the fun of modded.

I would strongly ask you to reconsider this.

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Madxmike•

Also, are you a streamer? Well, be sure to follow the modmail outline (on the rules page) to be included in a new wiki page hosting a collection of all streamers.

Why not do a thing like r/hearthstone does and have a list that constantly shows active streamers instead of a wiki no one will ever look at?

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everseekingOPMODModerator•

We are open to suggestions, an easy first step would be a wiki page.

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Madxmike•

Sorry if that came off as an asshole tone, but I feel that wikis are never looked at for the vast majority of subreddits. As such it would just be a waste of time to make one. Look at r/fitness for example. They have a massive wiki with all different information, but you still get posts everyday with questions answered in the wiki.

What exactly would this wiki accomplish? If I want just a list of FTB twitch streamers I would just go to twitch.com/minecraft. I just don't see its purpose.

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everseekingOPMODModerator•

No asshole-tone taken. Thanks for the hearth suggestion, I personally haven't seen something like that.

As far as the wiki, I think it fails as a source if it's not promoted enough. The sub definitely needs work and improving the sidebar is a priority, just not the highest one at the moment - especially with all this site-wide redesign stuff being pushed now.

And for what it would accomplish, just another source of streamers located here. Maybe some are YT streamers, but we've seen threads pop up somewhat consistently asking about streamers - we will probably expand this to include non-live content as well.

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Madxmike•

Okay well I'm glad to see improvements coming to the sub. Would it be possible for us to get some type of meta thread to suggest improvements?

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welsknightYoutuber & Modpack Dev•

I'm fully in favor of preventing self-promoting link-dumping. However, I think it should only apply to video-type submissions (whether streams or YouTube videos), and I also think it should be clear that it only applies to the creators themselves posting their own content.

If someone wants to post a mod spotlight that they saw on YouTube, they should be able to do so without having to dig through the subreddit history to try and figure out if that YouTuber is an active member of the community or if that YouTuber's content has been posted twice in the last 2 weeks.

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Zieg777Hubris•

I completely agree.

Honestly imgur albums should always be welcome. That's how you become active in the community, by posting stuff.

Sharing other people's videos is also a great way to share lesser known content creators. We all know you can't rely on YouTube algorithms to get known without resorting to clickbait titles unless you are already well known.

A lot of the people I subscribe to, yourself included, Wels, I only knew about because of this sub.

Last I checked, this sub was about sharing content. If people post their own LPs, they'll be downvoted to oblivion, but I don't think they should be moderated away.

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SwordofMichonne•

This is why we need to migrate the community to a more general Modded Minecraft sub. These mods are quite restrictive and capricious.

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welsknightYoutuber & Modpack Dev•

To be honest, I think that is neither realistic nor necessary.

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SquareWheelNutrition & Watering Cans Dev•

Seems reasonable. Just to clarify, "No spamming bug fix/mod updates" probably means something like "don't use minor bugfixes as an excuse to constantly promote your mod", right?

I'm assuming it's one of those things where you folks were already acting on it to remove any spammy content, so people might not even be aware it was a problem.

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everseekingOPMODModerator•

probably means something like "don't use minor bugfixes as an excuse to constantly promote your mod"

Yes, this is what we were trying to get rid of

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ElectroFried•

If only reddit had a function to allow users to sort useful information that contributed to discussion from useless promotions, something like an upvote button that could allow users to help others and a downvote button that would hide content after a certain threshold if it did not meet community expectations.

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SquareWheelNutrition & Watering Cans Dev•

Because votes do not work as a content filter. This is even in the site FAQ.

https://www.reddit.com/wiki/faq#wiki_why_does_reddit_need_moderation.3F_can.27t_you_just_let_the_voters_decide.3F

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gadsf34534sd•

We want to see creators interact with the subreddit when sharing their content - no dropping links to YT videos from people that have little to no history around the subreddit

so I'm not allowed to post an etho video?

don't like that. what's with all these rules stopping people from having potentially interesting discussions

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everseekingOPMODModerator•

This will be clarified - this was primarily created for people promoting their own content.

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AncapsAgainstRoads•

These rules are a fantastic way to ensure that nothing of worth is ever posted on this sub again. I come here to see modded Minecraft content from lots of different people--now, they can't post anything I would like to watch. GG, mods.

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everseekingOPMODModerator•

Please explain how this has stopped content posting.

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AncapsAgainstRoads•

It should be quite obvious: You have stopped new and up-and-coming content creators from posting their creations here. Why is a video creation less important than an image creation or a text story? Someone put hours of their life into creating a modded minecraft video, and now they can't post it in the biggest modded minecraft subreddit where others might want to see it.

We want to see creators interact with the subreddit when sharing their content - no dropping links to YT videos from people that have little to no history around the subreddit

Who determines what constitutes "history" and how can they accurately determine that? How are people supposed to break through into prominence if they have to sit here and spam pointless text posts before they can post a video?

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welsknightYoutuber & Modpack Dev•

It should be quite obvious: You have stopped new and up-and-coming content creators from posting their creations here.

Except they haven't. They just require a certain level of other activity within the subreddit before doing so.

Using a subreddit as only a place to promote your content, and not becoming involved with the communities you're advertising to is something that is frowned upon across the entirely of Reddit.

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Technomancer_isTakenCrossroads Dev•

We want to see creators interact with the subreddit when sharing their content - no dropping links to YT videos from people that have little to no history around the subreddit

I've never seen a subreddit with a rule against posting certain kinds of content only if someone is inactive. I'm not sure why it should be okay for active users and not inactive ones (to be clear, I think this rule should be more encompassing, not less so).

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mangoose3039•

I'm all for reducing the number of spammy mod update posts, but 2 per 2 weeks seems a little low. Unless the limit is mainly for actual mod update announcements, and not for teasers and such? It's hard to tell with how it's currently worded.

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everseekingOPMODModerator•

Good point, teasers would probably be considered different - this was just trying to target the minor bugfix mod updates that were seemingly being used just for promoting the mod. Added this to my list of things to clarify.

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Wilx•

I have been very active on Reddit for the last 6 years and I always try to be mindful of the rules. Does the 14 day rolling window include answers to other people posted questions, where I answer it in text first and then include an optional link to the specific spot in one of videos where I'm doing it?

For example today I uploaded a lets play video that has a part that I though could be interesting to many people in this subreddit. Using Item Laser Relays to automate Apiaries in Continuum. I was going to make a post where I explained it all in text first and then include an optional link to the specific part in the video where I set it up. However when I checked my history I made one post of my own and answered 3 others peoples questions, including optional links in the last 13 days. Do I need to restrict the number of questions I answer that include optional links, or are they exempt if done properly?

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OpulousCustom Modpack•

I understand why we want to avoid spammy Let's Play video posts, but how does the mod team feel about single videos for the purpose of showing off a build? People love buipd showcase albums with screenshots, but video as a format would let people show off their builds in greater detail and let people see the machines in action.

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Kulflame_•

After reading the different news on the

no dropping links to YT videos from people that have little to no history around the subreddit

My suggestion would be to create a r/feedthebeastvideos sub and limit it to modded minecraft videos.

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