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ToFat2Run

It’s OFFICIAL, Baam now can defeat High Ranker with the 2nd Thorn

Okay boys time to clear up some confusion. By ‘awakening’ the 1st Thorn and gaining access to the first Transcendental skill of the Thorn, it allows Baam to stand against data Zahard, even went toe to toe with him nearing the end of their fight, where the data is undoubtedly at Ranker’s level. And now with the 2nd Thorn activated, I’m 100% sure he can beat some if not all High Rankers now (and that’s including Jinsung, Yuri, and Garam even other High Ranker Slayers from FUG as well).

The logic is like this, 1st Thorn > Ranker, 2nd Thorn > High Ranker, 3rd Thorn > Family Heads, 4th Thorn > King Zahard. Since the 3rd Thorn allows him to stand against the like of the Family Heads (where they’re basically another Irregulars like him), it still won’t be enough to defeat Zahard because he’s in a different level than the rest of them, and that’s where the last piece of the Thorn come in and essentially making Baam stronger than Zahard and thus making himself God of the Tower. So yeah, he just needs to train a lil’ bit with the 2nd Thorn and familiarize himself with it, and no one except the Family Head can kill him later on second half of season 3 (I believe the first half would be all about Baam getting used to activating two Thorn(s) at the same time, up until he get his hand on the third Thorn piece that is).

At this point y’all probably thinking, “But there are other High Rankers out there that is as strong as Family Head, like Adori, or Evankhell!!!11!” Wrong. They’re nothing but CANNON FODDER since from the very beginning Baam is entirely different species than people in the Tower. No matter what they do to achieve such feat (incredibly talented, injecting themselves with the blood of an Irregular, modifying themselves, thousand of years experience, all the voodoo crap) There is a huge line that separates between God and the strongest of a human being, that it’s simply a waste of time comparing the two. Just like Gustang said,”Still, a bug is a bug.”

Posted Jun 18, 2018, 10:45 AM UTC

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Phantagram•

Is this satire?

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Pedang_Katana•

Pretty sure OP was serious tho.

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Emilklister•

Hes just trying to get people annoyed i guess?

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Pedang_Katana•

I really can't tell if this is serious or not...

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Iko_0n•

from the tone of his responses to comments on this thread I would say he is serious (did i just assume OP's gender?)

Anyway - my take on it is still the same. with the 2nd thorn Bam is probably ranker level but that means he has to constantly ignite it. Against the fight with Data Jahad he could barely control the thorn power after stabbing himself with it.

I feel like this is highly risky and it also takes a toll on his body - he even said he can't control it for long enough. If a Ranker were to fight against Bam seriously he will lose.

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archadious•

What I believe is that the correct position that you should take in this is neutral, you cannot say that he wouldn’t be able to beat a ranker, I mean just remember when the shinsu black hole absorbed Karaka’s technique, technique that gave many troubles to Yuri, and they were two high rankers and even in that moment Bam’s shinsu black hole was able to affect karaka’s attack, and remember that it was a high ranker’s technique, imagine what would do one of Bam’s attacks to that technique now that he has a whole new magnitud in his power, it is something of putting the cards on the table, I’m not saying that he would win for sure but it looks pretty dam logical for me if Bam were to win against a ranker

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Emilklister•

I don't think that Baams attack against Karaka is a good measure at all. It is special and a stronger attack because of its special element but it still is insignificantly small compared to Karakas attack. It's magnitude is still far weaker than Karakas attacks. Thats how I see it at least, if they were to blast against each other, his attack would be devoured and Karakas attack would obliterate him.

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archadious•

Take into account that Bam's magnitude got way higher now, he went from breaking a bid door to destroying a whole field of who knows how many squares meters. I don't think it would that as easy as you say

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St_phane•

If I remember correctly, none of Karaka's attacks did any damage to Yuri, so it wasn't that much trouble. The only thing he managed to do was stop and absorb some of her attacks and use them against her with his World of Darkness technique, even though at the end of the fight he thought she was holding back. He was completely overpowered by Yuri. But with his growth he might become a threat to her, something Yuri herself noted during the fight. However it is indeed interesting that Baam's shinworyu absorbed Karaka's shinsu attack. Not sure if it would be absorbed by his World of Darkness- like Yuri's attacks or people as well, since Karaka noted that people who touch it directly usually get absorbed while Yuri herself was fine- or if it would instead destroy it. That is something that we can look forward to. If Baam manages to perfectly control a technique used by Family Heads, and it was already seen that his shinworyu can overpower a Ranker's shinsu attack (possibly High Ranker) then yeah in the near future Baam might be a threat to ordinary Rankers, especially since the Laws of the Tower that protect regulars in regular only zones will be in his favor as well.

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ToFat2RunOP•

Right this is important piece of info that people just glossed over (or just plain don't remember). Post HF Baam is definitely entirely different beast of his own, compared to his pre-FoD self (cause he attempted black hole sphere attack to Karaka's before he entered FoD). The Orb and 2nd Thorn is way too huge of a power boost to his arsenal, and I shit you not he could kill unsuspected Ranker with his current attack (just like how he took data Zahard's arm, the data saw nothing different about his attack but when it hits him... well there goes his arm).

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bsedmonds•

The Black-Hole Sphere is a technique that compresses all the shinsoo around it to a single point and explodes it. I was under the assumption his Black-Hole Sphere didn’t beat Karaka’s attack but simple absorbed all the Shinsoo from the attack. Evan says “What’s this..? Karaka’s Shinsoo... is gradually disappearing...?”

So I don’t think his Technique was even at Karaka’s level at that point. Also I think you’re overestimating Data Zahard to a ranker when this was just his power level when he was on this floor. I think Baam might be slightly stronger with the power ups than Zahard was on this floor, but I don’t think that makes him Ranker strength just yet.

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ToFat2RunOP•

I can assure you that I'm serious about this.

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AegrusRS•

I don't necessarily agree with the statement that Baam is of right now is able to beat a high ranker, but I do agree that, if Baam learns how to control both Thorns with ease, he could potentially beat a high ranker.

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mourad1081•

I don't have the time to read all this so, as the title states it is official, can you please give me the exact sentence and the reference where SIU says that ? If not, why do you make it official? Do you have any source it is officially and explicitly mentioned?

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darcmenance•

Zahard and baam are equal with baam being slightly stronger (cuz data zahard had time to refine his skills prior to meeting baam and baam still stalemated him) so it’s not so crazy to think that a second thorn power puts baam at high ranker levels.

Also irregulars>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>high rankers, how many times does this have to be portrayed for y’all to get it, baam by virtue of being an irregular is supposed to grow at an unreasonable pace and reach the top rankings quicker than any regular should be able to. If baam dropped his friends he’d already be on floor 77

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ToFat2RunOP•

Phew, glad to see some people still have some sense with them. I mean it's literally been foreshadowed back on season 1 anyway, so there's no point on being unsure about the whole thing.

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bsedmonds•

We all can agree that Baam being an irregular will grow to be incredibly strong. But both of y’all are talking about Data Zahard like he is the actual Zahard and by Baam being stronger than Data Zahard he is automatically High Ranker level.

Data Zahard is puny compared to the real Zahard, the small portion of Zahard’s power that was made into Data Current Zahard was order of Magnitude strong than Data Zahard... even if he defeats Data Current Zahard that isn’t anywhere near full power Zahard.

Data Zahard seems to be stronger than almost everyone at this floor and by Baam being stronger than him then I 100% agree by the time Bam makes it up the tower he will be a freaking power house. Right now though he is just slight stronger than the strongest 43rd floor regular.

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ToFat2RunOP•

Did you even read my thread? I literally said there that data Zahard is on Ranker's level, and by beating him where do you think Baam is right now? Power-wise level obviously. And now with the 2nd Thorn coming into equation, shouldn't be too hard to point out that Baam will reach High Ranker's level of power as soon as he begin climbing again, provided that he's used with igniting two of the Thorns at the same time, even stabbing the 2nd Thorn piece to his body to gain that Transcendental skill.

By saying that he's just slightly stronger than the strongest 45 regular is just being ignorant, he's way above that level (are we even reading the same story lol?).

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bsedmonds•

What I’m lost at is your claim that Data Zahard is on ranker level, I don’t know how you feel Zahard at Floor 43 was already stronger than ordinary Rankers?

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radhih555•

This might be the greatest post out there. I really love the fact that he made the currently strongest Princess, Adori Jahad, look like cannon fodder. WOW. I MEAN JUST WOW. also the very fact that Evankhill has his/her own floor means that he is super powerful, not just powerful. Also he forgot about Beak Ryun and even Enne Jahad.

Ps. This is a shitcomment. I really don’t like the fact that people are comparing regulars to Ranker when even SIU himself has said the regulars (still climbing) cans compare to Rankers, let alone High Rankers. It just irritates me.

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darcmenance•

Baam is an irregular

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radhih555•

Yeah the weakest in the entire tower. Except Rachel.

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Advancing_Separation•

He won't be the weakest in the tower in maybe 50 floors or so at his current rate xD

Rachel won't get much stronger than she is now, however

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radhih555•

Yeah, but let’s not compare him to anything as of yet. Data Jahad may have been on if the strongest obstacle in his climb yet, well other than Karaka I mean.

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Advancing_Separation•

This is a huge bait, but I'll bite. Before I go into this, Bam can likely beat a normal ranker, whether it be through strength or surprise factor is up in the air.

1st Thorn > Ranker, 2nd Thorn > High Ranker, 3rd Thorn > Family Heads, 4th Thorn > King Zahard.

This is ENTIRELY wrong. The first thorn by itself allowed Bam (with his friends) to barely beat someone who said they were similar in power to a B-regular (significantly below a ranker still). Aside from the other scaling problems due to this along with assumptions, you've got no evidence from 2nd thorn onward.

A better chart for this is:

1st thorn: very slightly > B-regular; 2nd thorn onwards: ???

At this point y’all probably thinking, “But there are other High Rankers out there that is as strong as Family Head, like Adori, or Evankhell!!!11!” Wrong. They’re nothing but CANNON FODDER since from the very beginning Baam is entirely different species than people in the Tower. No matter what they do to achieve such feat (incredibly talented, injecting themselves with the blood of an Irregular, modifying themselves, thousand of years experience, all the voodoo crap) There is a huge line that separates between God and the strongest of a human being, that it’s simply a waste of time comparing the two. Just like Gustang said,”Still, a bug is a bug.”

I can tell your being sarcastic, but Evankhell is not at the FH. But Adori is, you can't dispute that. Also, Irregulars are just insanely talented people from some weird place that can ignore the rules to a certain extent, and we have seen other insanely talented people from the Tower. This is not a God vs Humans comparison, this is "Cheating" vs following the rules comparison. I'll follow up on this later.

You're assuming just because Bam is an Irregular that Bam can beat everyone NOW. He definitely will later bar Phantanimum and maybe Enryu, but that is beside the point. Let's do some present feat analysis comparing Bam to the average High Ranker.

The arena that Bam and Data Past Jahad fought in, based on character size relative to area, has to be way smaller than the NHS. At best, they are the same size. TWO PEOPLE CLASHING THEIR STRONGEST ATTACKS mostly destroyed the area. Not even entirely, just like 90%. Also, two people. That means Bam or Jahad by themselves could destroy a little under half of it using their strongest attacks.

So you're trying to tell me Bam can out-perform this? Haha...no. This is from an AVERAGE high-ranker too. If this is an average high ranker, than Bam still will have to travel a few floors to beat them. He will grow quickly because he is an irregular, but there is NO WAY he is this strong in the present.

Regarding the second thorn, let's be honest: the first thorn boost was big, but not huge. There's no reason Bam activating the second thorn along with the 1st one would make him jump like 99,000 ranks in the tower (the gap from a B-regular to ranker is WAY smaller than ranker vs average high ranker). We don't even know if the 2nd thorn works the same way as the 1st one. It might not flat-out boost his power, maybe just give him a new move (transcedental?) or something.

Your comparison with the god and the strongest human is using the wrong characters. Your comparing the 10FH, Jahad, and Urek (Gods) to tower residents (humans). Here the strongest Human (Adori Jahad) can match a few of the STRONGEST gods, everyone below Koon Edaun. (And before you try to debate me on ranks being influence and power, SIU has said that Adori's rank is entirely based on her unfathomable strength.) This comparison is best used with Phantanimum (A true God) vs Enryu (By far Strongest Human) lol

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darcmenance•

Saying adori>FH is honestly hilarious

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Advancing_Separation•

It is, but ranks and SIU's statements don't lie. You can laugh all you want. Trust me, I think it's ridiculous as well.

If the rest of the FH were in a situation where they needed to increase their power, they would win easily, as they have no defined limit by the tower, whereas Adori does. But in the present? read my statement from before

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YataVS•

I agree with most of your argument. But Ranking isn't Battle Power alone. And It can't be used as an extimation of someone Power. It's a mix of Power, fame, influence and feats....Adori has a very high rank but this doesn't imply She is stronger of any FH.

For example Gustang explicity said to Urek that nobody except the Great Warriors are at his level (later including a possibile future Baam) completely skipping every not-irregular from the list.

Notice also that Evan is far beyond Yuri in the Ranking and how Yuri increased his rank a lot only gathering Green April

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Advancing_Separation•

Yes, influence, fame and feats come into play. But, Adori's translated bio says this:

Title: Killer Whale Age: 5000+ Height: 1 m 84 cm Birthplace: Floor 132 Position: Fisherman Ranking: 7 (TN: Strange, it should be 8, but on the blog post it says 7…)

Adori Jahad. The strongest Princess. The Captain of Jahad’s Royal Guards. Wielding the only S-rank weapon of the 13 Months Series, the Golden November, she has a multitude of both male and female fans because of her golden hair and beautiful face.

Although she is a ranker above rankers, she has no noticeable accomplishments or achievements. And even though she is the Captain of Jahad’s Royal Guards, because she does not like wandering around, she rarely participates in active duty. Even with this, she is still entrusted with the Captain of the Guards position.

Why?

Only one reason:

Her unfathomable strength.

Thus, her ranking alone is, at minimum, HUGELY based on her power.

She has no noticeable feats, and the fame from her fanbase wouldn't contribute too much when compared to the 10 FH's families.

EDIT: In case you want to see the translated bios, I found them here: https://mangahelpers.com/forum/threads/tower-of-gods-author-blog-entry-translations.74406/

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Uknowyourbored•

no one likes word of god apparently

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Iamlordbutter•

High ranker.... just no.

Ranker then yes.

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Uciffer4•

Beautiful, now let me read it.

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SirSlothingten•

I hope this is bait.

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Wilmaso•

Bam is pretty Broly but sheesh Power levels here confuse everybody. I get it ... i really do. The thorn might be the most OP weapon in this story but lets not forget how powerful high rankers are. They are not allowed to use their full power on lower levels which we only seen them in. Just food for thought.

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ToFat2RunOP•

That's true, it was actually mentioned couple times in the story that the Admin of lower Floors might get mad if Ranker/High Ranker started messing on their Floors (one of the instance for this is when Evan warned Yuri to not use excessive Shinsoo on Regular Floor, but of course knowing Yuri she doesn't care about that at all).

The thing about the Thorn is that it's literally a God weapon, it's meant to break all the boundary of power and reality. There's a reason why the Thorn was separated into four fragments/pieces instead of a whole, and a clue to this would be Baam himself. Unlike other Irregulars, he come to the Tower not knowing anything and with a weak body, and the Thorn is a device that allows him to achieve insane rate of exponential growth in such a short time (since the way the story was written, shit's supposedly goes down by the time he reach Zahard's Floor on 134). And it wouldn't be too far-fetched since with Baam since we have a factor of him being Irregular + wielding a weapon that's literally delivered by the servant/acquintances of the God itself. And don't get me started with the fact that he may or may not be a human himself since he was revived by the God and there's a line in Arlene's prophecy where it said "and God's power will enter his body" (don't confuse this with the Thorn since it's two different things. Current speculation of the God's power would be that sun-like thing inside him that pretty much devours everything, although this might as well be Baam's innate power himself that he gained when the God revived him).

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Lunarisation•

Your whole argument is based off the fact that irregular > ranker.

A 10 year old michael jordan plays basketball worse than a typical varsity player.

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darcmenance•

Terrible comparison

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darcmenance•

A ten year old mj was ass, he didn’t even make his high school basket ball team

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mysticflax•

In the next Chapter Bam is going to fight a Ranker. So we'll get our actual answer then. As for what I think. I bet he could beat some rankers, but not others, but definently not high-rankers. I think if he uses Ignition in the fight with the ranker next chapter he will win.

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Cozzie78•

Sigh this again.

Data Zahard for one wasn't even trying he was simply amused that every time Bam was pushed his power level rose. I think the final form in that fight he could have gone toe to toe with Data Zahard. I think he is approaching rare air in terms of power at the D rank level.

But, this argument that he can take on Ha Jinsung or a Yuri/Meschenney needs to stop one nuclear punch would kill Bam from Yuri. Bam is still extremely weak in essentially every area of combat that isnt shinsoo. Zahard even showed that and again was playing with him as he allowed it to just be a shinsoo fight but, when Data Zahard switched it up and got in Bams face he had no real answers and got absolutely wrecked.

You think Ha Jinsung one of the 60 strongest people in the tower and comes from the Ha family who are known to have insane physical strength wont have any problem getting up in Bams face and do we really want to see what Ha Jinsungs Floral Butterfly Piercing Technique can do? The legendary FUG technique and now its master is going to use it I would imagine that it is a one hit kill to everyone outside of the 10F and Urek types.

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archadious•

Dude how are you gonna say that Data jahad was not even trying? Like for real how many times is he supposed to say that he will go serious for people to understand that he is fighting seriously with all his power. And not using the last form of the needle doesn’t necessarily mean that he is not going full power.

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ToFat2RunOP•

Right? It's this notion that people keep repeating in their head over and over. It was clear enough that he literally draw Lecaleus (fuck I'm butchering the name of that sword) only to opponent he deemed worthy, and we literally saw the second cosmos as well. If you want something where he's not even trying, just look when he fought Maschenny. He literally didn't even move from his spot and just stand there tanking her attack.

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ExpertOdin•

I thought he did use the last form though? Didnt edhan state it had 3 forms, the first basic white one that it was in, then the longer pointier white one, then the red one? or did i miss something?

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Heval1•

No, it was exactly as you said!

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Cozzie78•

He seemed to be having fun with him more than anything. I don't recall him saying I'm going to take this serious but, only once not repeated.

Chapter 301 - "This is getting interesting" , "You are more fun than I expected". He clearly was playing with Bam at this point by even launching an attack and then saying watch out or you will miss the next attack.

Chapter 302 - "How amusing" after getting "hit By Bams Butterfly attack. "What a ridiculous kid" and at the end of Chapter 302 Zahard says "Now ill get serious"

Chapter 303 - Bam even states that the difference in skill between him and Zahard is massive. When Zahard is trying he wrecks him this chapter.

Chapter 304 - Zahard still playing around underestimates Bams powerup Zahard says "I dont see that much difference in his skill" and launches Cosmos again because he still wasn't taking him serious after he lost his arm. He even says after loosing his arm "This is amusing". Zahard is clearly just having fun wanting to fight an opponent on his level.

So I disagree it was pretty clear that Zahard was not going all out against Bam. He launched several heavy hitting attacks just to see where his power level was.

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archadious•

Putting all your argument into the fact that he was having fun in the middle of the fight makes it unstable, I think you are grabbing yourself too much into that maybe because you don’t want Bam to grow that fast, cause it seemed pretty dam clear to me that data jahad gave his whole there

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Cozzie78•

I am going by what was said and how the fight unfolded and using the words of the author and the characters as I quoted each per chapter during the fight. To make an argument based upon facts.

I think you are the one reaching especially with the high ranker comment. Which is actually disrespectful to how powerful High Rankers are such as Ha Jinsung

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neewshine•

he eventually fainted for a while, that means Baam exhausted him (same level indeed), don’t forget that Baam took serious damage before he unleashed his power (he was wondering if his body could stand for any longer), so Baam was already at a huge disadvantage when he got finally serious. don’t analyse things from only one sided perspective, what applies to jahad (he intentionally raised his attack’s power gradually) applies to Baam (forced to seek how to do things while fighting a fu***g monster while being heavily injured).

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Cozzie78•

The fact remains Zahard only raised his power when needed and Bam was heavily injured BECAUSE Zahard was only playing with dude. Before his final form at any moment Zahard could have destroyed him and it was pretty clear. Bam even states as I quoted before he ignites himself there is a MASSIVE gap in their power.

As I said using quotes Zahard was still not taking him seriously after his final form and even stated he still seems the same and launched the same attack cosmos and was completely caught off guard by the power of Bams attack.

He then raised his level again to match Bam and fought to a stalemate before Zahard saying that he won.

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ToFat2RunOP•

I think I may have gone a bit overboard with the power comparison, but my point still stands. Baam is the type that improves in the middle of the fight and honestly? We don't know how strong the Transcendental skill from the 2nd Thorn would be, and imagine if he activated the first and the 2nd Transcendental skills at the same time, I think it's more than enough to kill a High Ranker, add the fact that Shinwonryu skill is with it too (sadly his body won't be able to handle such power anytime soon). Not to mention the variable with Red Thryssa/Blue Demon as well, he's gonna be such a beast that people in the Tower would fear him.

I do agree that what Baam lacks the most is the Shinsoo Resistance that allows him to withstand high-level Shinsoo attack but that eventually will come on its own since he's after all is an Irregular.

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Cozzie78•

I dont think it would be enough to kill a ranker.

Hell we haven't even seen a fighter the level of Ha Jinsung even fight. Urek doesn't count as he wasn't even serious.

We saw Yuri (top 500) vs Karaka and Yuri launched an attack that was essentially the size of the floor itself. Bam is not on that level of power yet. A Ha Jinsung more than likely like Urek could destroy at least half a floor if he gets angry.

He is still progressing at an insane rate and more than likely once this chapter concludes we will have a time skip and where ever we pick up he will be strong enough to at least compete with some of the lower rankers.

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ExpertOdin•

Baam already has insane Shinsoo resistance, he had that before he even knew what Shinsoo was, ie on the 2nd floor when the regulars were made to walk through the wall of Shinsoo, Baam wasnt even pushed back by a Ranker. And presumably his resistance has gotten stronger since then. What Baam actually lacks is a strong body, sure he could strengthen it with Shinsoo but he is physically weak

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ToFat2RunOP•

I agree, that's why SIU consistently show us that Baam has been progressing at insane rate and tell us that Baam is still growing (hence why his body went from handling the Thorn at max 10 mins per day, to pretty much just all the time during his fight. Not including the 2nd Thorn obviously). Could also explain why the Thorn was separated into 4 fragments/pieces since it was planned for his exponential growth (plus Baam didn't first come to the Tower already strong like other Irregulars). SIU is genius that way, and I like seeing how much things was planned out from the beginning.

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