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Toorstain

Orcs and heirs; a possibility to reform?

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I love playing the orcs in Elder Kings, but after a while it becomes pretty tedious having to kill all the 30+ kids you produce throughout a long life banging your three wives. I just can't understand why my heir always wants to kill me, when I have 20+ personal combat skill, and he is a weak little shit.

While the sucession-by-murder thing the orcs have going on may make sense when you live in tiny strongholds, even the orcs should understand that a kingdom might need a bit more stability.

So, I think there should be a way to reform the sucession system. My two proposals are to either have a way of reforming the cult of malacath faith, OR allowing the holder of the title Kingdom of Orsinium to use primigenture (or maybe elective?)

Also, Trinimac heresy when?

(Also also; sorry if the things I'm suggesting are already in the game)

Posted Jul 27, 2018, 7:34 PM UTC · edited

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BaronHereward•

Yeah great proposal. I think the heirs challenging their father is connected to either the orc culture or orc trait, because when I had a nord son who inherited I kept the government type and didn't have any rebellious sons.

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PoutineCheck•

It’s the religion, I’ve been playing orc race / cultural but 9 divines and have never seen the challenge father event.

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BaronHereward•

Maybe it's both? my Malacath faith Nord son never challenged me. Maybe it was all his dead brothers that discouraged him. They all challenged me at 16-18 years of age.

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OctagonalHumanist•

does the mechanic even make sense from a lore perspective? like yeah, that's how they do things in orc strongholds, and it works for small tribes, but orc kingdoms? it wouldn't make sense.

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ToorstainOP•

I think it does make sense, but it's just a bit too much right now.

Here are some suggestions to fix the duels:

  • Sons can only duel their father if the father has traits such as weak or imbecile, if the father us older than 60 years OR if the son has a claim (not sure how a someone could get a claims before their parent is dead, but I'm sure it happens)

  • Exceptions to the criteria above should be if the son has trais such as ambitious, or maybe envious. Content characters should just never be able to try.

  • Also, there should be a way to talk them down from duelling you if you have good diplo-stats, or a way to beat them without killing them if you don't have the traits wroth or cruel.

  • thirdly, they should just never challenge you if your personal combat skill is eay higher than them.

  • Lastly, if you have already killed one of your sons in duel, there should be a cooldown before any of your other sons can try.

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rainbow_dashtruction•

Is Orc Kingdoms a thing in the lore outside the small lands in High rock established during ES 2?

The orcs never successfully got one rolling, probably because of this succession system is borked.

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OctagonalHumanist•

Yes. The Orsimeri kingdom/province is called Orsinium (which is formable in the mod and exists in at least one bookmark). It’s been established and destroyed multiple times, but as far as I know that’s no fault of the Orcs’. The denizens of Tamriel just keep fucking them over again and again. They are the Pariah Folk, after all.

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cat210803•

Well it was partially the fault of the orcs because they did raid the lands of highrock and hammerfell.

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Thimascus•

"What day is it"

"It's Thursday"

"Whelp, we better raze Orsinium again!"

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