People aren't complaining about Zoe because she doesn't have counters

The issue with Zoe for the majority of players isn't that she is overpowered, it is that she has obnoxious parts of her kit that are annoying to play against.

The obscenely long time her bubble trap lasts, even though she missed it. The RNG item drops on her W, that can decide fights or even games, all because someone got lucky. The fact that she can recast her Q while she is stunned. The enhanced autos that let her win trades when she missed everything (Which is weird for a champion who's kit is supposed to rely on landing skillshots). Thankfully the sleep cleanse/spellshields discrepancy was fixed.

The "circklejerk" against Zoe isn't because she is controlling the meta, or impossible to lane against, or overpowered. It's because the champion has issues in her kit that shouldn't exist on a new champion.

Posted Aug 1, 2018, 3:08 PM UTC

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zMickeh•

She's an easy champion to use for bad players, so when good players pick her up she is overpowered, that's at least how I feel

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Ask_Me_If_I_Suck•

The problem is her kit stands for everything people have been wanting Riot to move away from. Easy 1 shot spammable abilities, ridiculous levels of RNG that decide the game, mobility creep, and annoying levels of CC.

Riot feels the need to endlessly evolve their game to keep people around, but I genuinely feel like it is doing the opposite. I cannot see their player numbers, but I know me and my friends basically never play anymore. If Riot said at the end of this year "2019 season is going to be entirely focused on balancing and fixing the game" it would draw me back more than them saying more champions are coming out.

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zMickeh•

A statistic doesn't underline how good someone is with a champion, every game is 5v5, you think that shithouse bronze players will 1v5 with Zoe? They're in that elo for a reason.

Win rates in this context don't mean anything because you can be good with a champion and still lose, I didn't mention about winning, just that the champ isn't that hard to use

Denial? Nah you're just insecure

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muhweedbru•

>winrates are irelevant bc its a 5v5 game and its low elo

ok dud cya next summer

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zMickeh•

why delete your comment if you're so sure that you're correct? :D

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being easy to play and being successful aren't the same thing, but please, continue to act like you have the mental capability of a super-human.

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Wriggalo•

People are complaining because people like to complain!

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Mejai91•

My problem is just her passive when she has sheen in lane. She can whiff all her abilities and still almost 100-0 you

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BaloomfOP•

I think her passive should either have a cooldown or only work when it hits enemies or something.

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definitelynotdepartcnfqkf - LAN, Fok7 - LAN, Depart v5 - EUW•

I think her passive should either have a cooldown or only work when it hits enemies or something.

Probably one of the more reasonable suggestions I've seen on reddit, this would help with so many frustration points around her doing insane damage up close while missing everything and wouldn't change a thing for when she's played well.

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BaloomfOP•

It's just weird that recent kits like Galio and Aatrox, all have enhanced autos on their passive which has a cooldown reduced by hitting abilities, but Zoe's is just there.

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Mejai91•

Agreed that’s what I was thinking as well. It doesn’t even have to be long I just can’t stand getting hit with it every time one of her abilities is up even when I’m behind minions

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definitelynotdepartcnfqkf - LAN, Fok7 - LAN, Depart v5 - EUW•

It also doesn't help that she can proc her passive twice off of 1 q cast, because the first and second activation both count as abilities for her passive.

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sharpstudCalculated•

I dont really like the free ghost on any summoner spell use

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Me_ADC_Me_SMASH•

Fine. Then explain the "nerf zoe" "why is zoe allowed to be this strong" and other similar posts

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BaloomfOP•

Because combined with the frustrations of her mechanics and losing against her makes her feel stronger, so they just describe her as "strong".

People don't notice when the RNG items let them win the fight.

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Magewic•

A champion can have counters and still need nerfs.

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