Why do People still think the Federalization of Europe is Possible?
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Posted Aug 19, 2018, 7:41 PM UTC
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You can predict a person's stance on the EU depending on whether they're right wing or left wing.
You really can't.
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You can predict a person's stance on the EU depending on whether they're right wing or left wing.
You can't.
Imagine this, a federalized European military, what kind of person would join that over their own nations military?
I imagine most people wouldn't join any military willingly.
How is this supposed to work?
Your line of questioning suggests that you
- Know nothing about the actual problems the EU has; and
- That you didn't come here with the right intentions.
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How is having a discussion not the right intention?
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You throw around falsehoods and expect a decent discussion?
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Because Eastern Europe is not more right wing then Texas and Western Europe is not more left wing then California. And it works the same way my family does - my mom is a (German) populist, my dad's an (American) conservative, and I'm a firm Social Democrat. Granted neither of my parents are of the extreme variety, but even if we politically disagree, we still function and love each other as a family. Just because parts of the EU have different political beliefs doesn't mean they can't work together. I would think as an American, you should especially be cognisant of this...
But I wouldn't expect you to understand that hmm. You didn't come here to learn and talk, you came to troll and probably look for an opportunity to rant. You have absolutely no understanding of the politics that make up the EU (and all the more dangerous you think you do), and you believe you can classify people on a one dimensional spectrum. If you're not willing to engage in any kind of discussion with people, you'd be better off not posting here frankly.
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It is more common for people who are right-wing here to be anti-EU, however the leader of the Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn, is a lifelong eurosceptic and he’s a socialist.
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Considering what a disaster May has been, if I were a Brit I think I'd pick the Corbynista over another mainstream conservative.
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I must admit I voted for May but wouldn’t again. I don’t think May will be around for another election tbh. She’ll just be a convenient person to pin any problems with Brexit on, then the Tories can oust her, stick a new leader in and pretend they weren’t responsible for handling Brexit. Definitely not voting for Corbyn though.
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These days anything is possible
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I get the feeling that you didn't really come here to ask a question.
Partially true, I'm heavily heavily against the EU, but I want to see what defense Federalists can muster up. Do y'all unironically believe that the EU isn't a partisan issue?
What the people of Europe want, is none of your business.
It's a opinion, I understand that Europeans prefer to censor that but I'm entitle to one in the states.
You have proven by your remarks here that your "opinion" is not based on much knowledge.
Yes, the EU is criticised and opposed by people on the left and the right, contrary to your claim that "You can predict a person's stance on the EU depending on whether they're right wing or left wing", which is false.
Fine but what's actually relevant is what people from the EU want and think
What does that even mean.
Do you unironically believe that most leftists support the EU while most right wingers are against it? It's obvious, the EU has created an open borders scenario and the majority of right wingers are against it. Left wingers like the EU because they ban random stuff and represent a post-nationalist ideology.
No? The extreme right and left are both against it. Quite clearly even, but for different reasons. Why would you think i thought that?
I'm not really sure what issue it is you're trying to debate? So what if the EU is supported by some and not by others? I don't think anybody is 100% satisfied with what the EU does right now. For example i'm for the EU but against it's immigration policies.