CMV: Convincing TD users to grow up and act like Adults is like convincing Kim Jong Un, he isn’t all that great. (Obviously he isn’t).

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From what I have seen of Td users and their posting and comment history, all I can see is immaturity and cancerous behaviors.

Comments like “ Stupid Libtard, you rekt reeee”

“You guys are just mad about losing the election”

“Britain is the deep state swamp.”

“Britain is trying to overthrow Trump with a fake dossier”.

And other disparaging remarks about people.

(There is also the whole they believe opinionist and opinion pieces more than actual news articles)

I have also heard that they tried to dox people and it almost got them banned as a sub or something like that.

But it seems that no matter what I’m tell them even with facts, I only get responses I would expect from a 10th grader .

Just so we are clear, I have met a few TD users who talk like normal fucking people. But my post is more centered around the TD users who will make like 100 different accounts to get past a ban on a other sub or will purposely omit certain details and act like ass saying “Oh Mueller needs to end the investigation because he is wasting tax payer money”, despite the fact the money he uses is equal to 1-2 of Trump’s weekend golf trips and was money that would have been used anyways.

But most of the behavior I see leads me to believe that, I can should show evidence of Trump doing something that looks very bad and I would get an immature response like “so what?”.

It’s no different than trying to convince Un that he isn’t all that great. He doesn’t want to grow up and act like an adult. He wants to act like a child and not be convinced that his country as a government is a shithole.

Same thing goes with Td users on here. They don’t want to be convinced. They want to shout stupid shit like “Hur Hur, Drumpf is being impeached”. Or “ This will end the investigation.” For the 50th time. Or just stupid shit I expect from people with tons of psychologically problems.

Again, like I said, not all TD users are like this. But it seems a decent majority of them are. .

CMV: Trying to convince TD users that act like children to grow ip, is like trying to convince Kim Jong Un, he isn’t that great.

Posted Aug 29, 2018, 11:28 PM UTC

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foot_kisser6ƥ

They want to shout stupid shit like “Hur Hur, Drumpf is being impeached”. Or “ This will end the investigation.” For the 50th time.

Is this really different from how liberals act?

I went over to r/politics, the closest thing to an equivalent to T_D on reddit, and looked at the top post sorted by 'hot' over there. The title is "After weeks of uncertainty, Papadopoulos decides to accept plea deal with Mueller", clearly trying to push a left-wing narrative. Among the top comments: "Looks like the Cohen flip has all of the rats headed for lifeboats. Womp womp.", "Cans someone TLDR the last couple months with this ass-clown for me?", "<Always Sunny Theme> 'George Goes to Jail'", "Flip, flip, flipadopoulos!", "I hope someone slapped this fool upside his head", "This is the first stage of the endgame.", "Lol well no shit. He was taking advice from his dumbass wife.", and "So we know Papadopoulos is coopodoperating. The question remains, was Papadopoulos collubadoobading?".

I'm not saying that that last one wasn't funny, in fact I agree with the reply, which said "take your updootopulos and get out". It's still pretty immature, even if it is funny. And it might give you a bit of sympathy for some of the humor you find on T_D, even if you still disagree with it. A lot of the obnoxiousness of T_D is an overt attempt to be funny on the internet, whether it succeeds or fails. Immaturity is not really a flaw in comedy.

The second post in r/politics was titled "Beyer On IG Revelations Of Trump’s Involvement In FBI Headquarters Decision: “This Looks Like A Cover-Up”". Among the top comments: "Fuck Trey Gowdy with a red-hot poker.", "100% of all people who still support trump are dog shit.", "Congress needs to act fast and impeach this corrupt Orangutan of a president", and "I'm envisioning a day in the future, a national holiday, a 4 day weekend called DTS Day. Officially, it will be Donald Trump Surrenders Day, but we'll always call it Drain The Swamp Day. We'll celebrate with fireworks and cheetos. Napkins and tablecloths printed with golden turds and tiny hands grabbing prison bars."

The first post had 24.7k upvotes and 1344 comments, and the second had 32.6k upvotes and 2126 comments. I only quoted from top level comments, except for the "updootopulos" one, and I certainly didn't go through all the top level comments.

But most of the behavior I see leads me to believe that, I can should show evidence of Trump doing something that looks very bad and I would get an immature response like “so what?”.

Would that really be an immature response? One that you disagree with, sure, but is it immature?

There are things that Trump has done that are not problems, like the two scoops of ice cream thing, or things that are problems on a moral level, but not on a national leadership level, like the alleged affairs. Isn't the proper response to these things "so what"?

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Aspires2•

I’ll give you that politics leans heavily left but do you really think r/politics is the closest thing to T_D? Their second sticky is trump pissing on a google level and the tag on the top post is tagged as “Not Safe For Cucks”.

I suppose I haven’t dug and maybe there isn’t a liberal version of t_d that exists but it seems extreme to pretend r/politics is even close.

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chasingstatues15ƥ

Td users firmly believe that their sub is what it is because all the rest of Reddit was in such extreme opposition of Trump and vitriolic towards anyone who showed support for him. So they made their sub, made it exclusive for Trump supporters, and amped up the vitriol times 10,000 for satire. Anywhere else on Reddit, their views would be buried in downvotes. Hence their goal getting their posts to constantly hit the front page. In their eyes, all the rest of Reddit is the liberal version of td.

Now, I'm a liberal, but I would say I'm probably half in agreement with that. And I think the commenter you're responding to hit the nail on the head with their comment, even if we can nitpick this minor detail about which sub is most equivalent.

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foot_kisser6ƥ

If there's something closer, it would have to be much smaller than r/politics or T_D, which would make it rather different from both of them. r/politics has 72k users online at the moment and T_D has 21k.

What's important to the comparison is that you get the same sort of obnoxious, mocking, snarky top level comments, like the ones I gave examples for. I don't think you find the same thing on random political subs.

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Goldberg314151ƥ

TD is not a serious subreddit and just a main hub that mostly is about a whirlwind of memes and click bait.There are other places you can debate conservatives on Reddit.TD state is just a natural result of reddit structure that pushes subreddits toward becoming circle jerks.

You can take a look on subs from TD to politics to chapo or plethora of extreme left subs and TD is not more toxic to opposing views than these.At least you got and “so what?” instead of me getting "fascist get the bullet" when discussing soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968 on r europe i think.

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ThisIsNotOverOP•

Chapo is extreme. How their users were acting when McCain died was fucked up.

Politics is not extreme left. I got permabanned from Politics for “witchhunting” for calling out multiple bots accounts. Meanwhile, I see someone just making a new account every 5 minutes to make one single troll comment constantly or I see one person using different accounts to spam the “new” section with articles that are inflammatory or right wing opinion pieces. There is nothing wrong with posting right wing opinion pieces. It’s spamming them with an intent to bother people.

I will say Politics is a shithole but it’s not because of the users. It’s mainly due to stupid decisions made by the mods of that sub.

TD is not a serious subreddit.

While I have heard it’s suppose to be a “funny subreddit”, it seems like they take themselves seriously.

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Goldberg314151ƥ

I never said that Politics is an extreme subreddit. I meant that they go from right to left in such order

TD

Some unicorn subreddit the non existing middle ground

Politics (it is a mess not in the middle at least since 2015)

Chapo

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reddit_im_sorry9ƥ

You do realize that TD is satire right? No one goes around in real life yelling "REEEEEEEEEE" at liberals. It's literally just a place for people to go that don't want to hear the 24/7 hating on Trump that the media and every other political subreddit does. Whether you beleive in Trump or not you can get information on Trump that is actually positive on TD. Because sometimes it's nice to see actual progress in the government.

You can't ask someone that isn't really acting like a child to grow up. The parts that you are describing is just pretend.

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GingerJack7614ƥ

But no matter what I tell them, even with the facts, I get the response of a tenth grader.

I'm on mobile right now and I can't seem to select and quotes contents of the original post. But I don't think this is an unfair summary.

I will debate you right now on whatever topic you'd like to choose from. Although I don't post on T_D too often, I am an avid Trump supporter and used to be a regular on AT_D, which I would recommend if you are looking for a proper discussion.

And if debating with me is not enough to convince you that T_D users are not immature children, then I'd ask what would change your mind on the subject? If you're willing to separate out individuals and say that some of them are halfway decent, but then these specific people, whom you won't be able to qualify or quantify, are whom you're talking about, then what are you asking to be convinced of? What percentage is an acceptable amount?

Not to mention that T_D is purely a support sub, it's not there for non biased discussion on any particular topic. So obviously you're going to have a lot of people who are just shitposting and enjoying getting away from the rest of the internet for a moment, which to be honest is heavily biased against Trump and I think you know that. So then how could I convince you that any particular T_D user didn't also have a more serious side to them? It just seems like it's an impossible standard to prove because the evidence would require me to be omniscient and to show you each individual users life outside of using that sub.

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darkplonzo•

I could go off on some of my biggest issues with Trump, but I'm guessing it'd probably be better to start asking about why you like Donald Trump in the first place. Since I know my biggest issues make people seem not to care.

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GingerJack7614ƥ

Well he's not an authoritarian, he's generally pretty hands off which is nice, the economy seems to be pretty confident under him, and he's willing to say no to the radical left, which is really important because of how influential they are. Say what you want about fascists, but they only number on the tens of thousands and aren't given much of an opportunity to speak. Obviously as a libertarian. I'm against both factions. But socialists just got a candidate backed by the head of the DNC and although there are plenty of lefties wanting to put the breaks on this take over, you can't really say the same thing for the right.

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larry794464•

What is td

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ThisIsNotOverOP•

The Donald

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larry794464•

oh lmaoooo

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dondon135791ƥ

So basically you want to convince trolls on The Donald?

I don't see why though. You can't control them to act mature and confronting them is what they want.

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ThisIsNotOverOP•

Not all of them are trolls, but it would be nice to deal with adults for once. Instead of getting a comment from one of them that ignores reality.

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dondon135791ƥ

I mean part of the description is"do whatever you want". You are definitly on the wrong sub for an actual political debate.

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dondon135791ƥ

Try r/politics or another political sub for an actual debate.

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NonsenseOEntitlement1ƥ

Always seek out the best defender of a belief you disagree with. Dealing with the lowest common denominator is a waste of time and energy. It can also harden you against that belief entirely when a more able defender of the rationale behind it could at least show you how reasonable people can disagree.

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If your goal is to change the mind of those who hold contrary opinions I think there exists a high correlation between those that can rationally discuss a topic with those that would be willing to change their mind. Changing the minds of these thought leaders can also have effect the hangers on as well.

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Whether your goal is to challenge you own opinion or alter the opinion of others its best to ignore the droning chorus and engage with the few that are willing to engage with you on more equal terms. Likely some small percentage of that sub falls into the second camp - if not people that share their ideology may be found in related subs or elsewhere.

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7nkedocye18ƥ

Trying to convince TD users that act like children to grow ip, is like trying to convince Kim Jong Un, he isn’t that great.

A friend of mine used to be a strong Trump supporter and TD browser. He no longer browses TD and supports Trump much less largely due to conversations he has had in real life. This is because the conversations was not only real, but politically balanced, rational, and calm. These are 4 things that probably will not happen by challenging them online.

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ThisIsNotOverOP•

How are you suppose to have those conversations with them in real life? I mean, that seems like something can only be left to chance unless you are the one doing the convincing and that requires you to know them.

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GingerJack7614ƥ

that requires you to know them.

I want you to seriously think about what you just said. You've basically implied that you have no friends who support Trump. Maybe that's something that could be contributing to your own bias.

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GingerJack7614ƥ

Something tells me it wasn't politically balanced, but that's just my perspective. I see the reverse actually, and it's much easier to convince someone of something wrong in person than something right on the internet.

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kayos63•

CMV; One of the most childish things one can do is label those one disagrees with as immature and childish for disagreeing or for not engaging in the same manner he or she does.

Be thou not so quick to dismiss your 'opponents' especially when they have accrued so many unlikely victories. There are many pro Trump people who would happily debate you and show very strong evidence for their side. I for one would be more than happy to help you see why Trump seems so untouchable and has rising approval amongst African Americans in spite of how he is portrayed by the media and why he had the blessing of the New Black Panthers and the Nation of Islam over Hillary. We could discuss his stellar economic policy and frankly impressive diplomatic efforts and why we non americans celebrate the possibility that you finally have a president who might finish a term without a new invasion of some other country...

But such logical discussion is not the full story of how Trump won and why he keeps winning. They're not called the meme wars for nothing. When sarcasm, lampoon and mockery prove powerful dialectic and political tools that upstage a political insider shoe in and lead to unimaginable outcomes and possibilities, perhaps the childish opponents you speak of are not stupid, they merely choose to battle you on fields and using tactics for which you are ill prepared and do not even recognize as highly effective tools. That doesn't make them stupid, that makes you unable to understand how they are operating and thus unable to ever match them and beat them at their game....

Populists aren't stupid, they are merely people who have mastered the objective of representative democracies and gotten more popular than you like, using tactics you do not know how to employ whilst you hold onto to you book of how the game should be played and expect your opponents to make it easy for you by fighting you where you think you are strong and not coming up with revolutionary new ways to convince and galvanize that you are no match for.

Praise be unto Pepe, Shadilay

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yyzjertl119ƥ

But it seems that no matter what I’m tell them even with facts, I only get responses I would expect from a 10th grader .

This is unfair to 10th graders. And really, your entire view is unfair to children. It's not fair to compare children to a dictator like Kim Jong In. And it's even more unfair to compare children to adults who are being wilfully evil, like those on TD. All this does is perpetuate harmful stereotypes about teenagers.

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ThisIsNotOverOP•

!delta

You somewhat convinced me. Not completely, but enough to warrant a delta.

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