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MassTerpenes CBD Oil Syringe and CBD Isolate Carrier REVIEW

Review

So I saw on the u/MassTerpenes website a few weeks ago they had some CBD products. They had a 300mg CBD/0.5ml (60%) syringe of "CBD Oil" that is comprised of nothing but CBD Isolate and an terp-based carrier/dilutent. No PG,PEG, VG, MCT Oil, etc... as far as I know. It was an "Intro Sale", their initial test run batch, and they sold out, so its not listed anymore, but seems like it will back as an official product... I hope. They also had a "CBD Isolate Carrier" which was just the previously mentioned terp-based carrier/dilutent on its own, not premixed with CBD already. In others words, the CBD Isolate Carrier was the DIY "liquifier" for CBD Isolate powder to make your own CBD vape oil same as they sold premixed in syringes.

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EDITED to Add: As far as I know, the Isolate Carrier is a base of flavorless orderless terpenes and other such chemistry magic which act as a "carrier oil" which other terpenes and esters added for the flavor profile. For clarification, MassTerpenes has said there are trace amounts of MCT or PG (<1%) in certain flavor profiles, especially the candy and sweeter profiles since trace amounts of mct or pg act as flavor enhancers and smooth the flavor of such sweeter flavor profiles. I think most of us are focused on avoiding having the major component of the oil, the major dilutent, be PG/PEG or MCT since these have been shown to be potentially harmful when vaporized. MassTerpenes has clarified that these are not major component dilutents of this isolate carrier or any other of their products which is fine by me. A trace amount of PG or MCT for flavor doesn't bother me personally, so they still get the thumbs up from me.

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CBD Oil Syringe

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I got 2 of the pre-mixed CBD oil syringes, Sour Diesel and Grape Ape. The consistency of the oil isn't thick, more like a baby oil than a thick honey. In retrospect this is to be expected as its nothing but isolate and terps. I imagine the 60% concentration is intentional and necessary as from what I've read, any CBD product with concentration of ~65-70+% will crystallize as is the nature of CBD. I put the two oil syringes into some CCELL 0.5 ml carts I had laying around and here are the results:

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Sour Diesel: Great flavor. My favorite of the two. Very true to the strain it represents. Some minuscule leakage after initial filling and very very minor leakage afterwards only noticeable via stuffing folded corner of tissue into bottom battery hole. However, being my first time with a homemade cart with oil of such thin viscosity I immediately found a CCELL cart to NOT be ideal for this type of oil. Basically the first dozen or so hits felt a little too "wet" with some gurgling and such. Those 2.0mm oil holes and big ceramic coil/wick just seemed to suck up too much of the thinner oil and get over-saturated. In short, the oil itself was good, but a cartridge like CCELL designed for super thick oils with accompanying big oil holes sucks up too much of the CBD oil, gets over-saturated and the hits can be a little intense.

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Grape Ape: Not bad but not great. Too grape-y. This guy has miniscule amounts of leakage as well but it didn't stop after initial hits and continued tiny bits of noticeable leakage at the bottom battery connection around the rim throughout me vaping the entire 0.5 ml over the week or so. Maybe the particular terps in this terpene profile were a little bit harsher on the CCELL hardware, or this particular cart had internal imperfections that exacerbated the flooding and over-saturation, resulting in more leakage, or just straight up bad cart. I'm really no expert and kinda a vaping noob so I can't say. Really, ultimately it goes back to the viscosity not being a good match for CCELL type carts designed for super thick oil.

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In Summary: MassTerpenes CBD Oil Syringes are good and potent, stay nice and fluid, don't crystallize but the nature of it being isolate+terps only seems to result in a thinner oil (think baby oil) which will require you to grab a more appropriate cart with smaller oil holes or non-ceramic coil. CCELL's leak and result in overly satured hits with the consistency of this CBD Oil. I'm really no cart expert, yet..., so take what I say with a grain of salt.

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CBD Isolate Carrier

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So, with a lesson learned on carts for this oil. I grabbed some Transpring A3's off ebay with 0.9mm oil holes since it was the most convenient and quick cartridge I could find with such smaller oil holes that I could order and arrive right away. The Transpring A3 also claims to be a "Dual Coil" which is vague, and I have no idea what it specifically means, but I assume its not a ceramic coil since thats usually something carts advertise.

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Now with more appropriate cart in hand, I proceeded to try my hand at a DIY CBD Isolate/Terp Oil. MassTerpenes website claims its 1 ml to 1 gm isolate for this carrier. I opted to try a slightly more concentrated mix to mimic the 60% concentration of the premixed syringed. I ended up adding 1 gm isolate with 0.6-0.7ml of the Isolate Carrier Terp mix instead of the entire 1 ml. I put both in a small glass vial I had. A vial seemed easier than mixing in a syringe. Worked great. Within 15 minutes, 75% of the isolate crystals dissolved. Within the next 20-30 minutes, and a bit of I'd say another 15% dissolves. I got a bit impatient with that last 10% even though it hadn't been an hour yet and just dunked the glass vial in some hot water and swirled a bit. A quick hot water bath and within a few minutes, the rest was dissolved and I had a nice perfectly smooth light golden oil. Left it over night and still smooth next day, no crystallization.

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This particular batch was with the Pineapple Express terp profile. Taste is a pleasant smooth woodsy/grassy flavor with sweet undertones. Honestly, I've never tried Pineapple Express as Flower, Concentrate or Oil cart so I have no idea whats its supposed to taste like so I can't say if its true to its terp profile. Its nice though. The Transpring A3 I used works well, no leakage issues so far and less intense hits with no gurgling or such issues from apparent over-saturation. These Transpring A3s also have a rubber o ring around the bottom battery connection where the CCELLS were leaking from. Air flow on this cart isn't great though so I'll probably, for the next batch, try to find some other cartridges to experiment with, maybe trying ceramic carts again, but non-ccell, with smaller oil holes, which seems to be the hard part, that is finding smaller oil hole current gen carts.

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The Transpring A3 Cartridge with 0.9mm Oil Holes: Works much better for this consistency oil

Been looking at Transpring A3-C (Ceramic new gen version of A3 with 1.2mm holes), Liberty X5s, ALD iKrusher AC1003 (ceramic rod instead of ceramic donut?), etc. Wouldn't mind a recommendation from more experienced oil cart vapers for a cartridge for such THIN consistency oil. Some other thoughts, u/MassTerpenes, you should add some glass vials to your Catalog for sale as mixing containers. The one I had on hand was something like 2 dram or ~8 ml which worked but was a bit too big. Some 3-4ml glass vials would be a nice addition to your catalog. Hell, I noticed MassTerpenes selling ccell clone carts on site for liquify 2.0 DIYers. Maybe you guys can find the perfect cart for the CBD Isolate Carrier DIYers with smaller oil holes and sell those as well.

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In Summary: Excellent, incredibly easy process to turn CBD Isolate into a CBD vape oil with this all terp based "isolate carrier". Taste is good and not overwhelming but the consistency of the oil like the pre-mixed syringes is as expected, a thinner baby oil consistency so you'll need a small oil hole cart for best vaping experience.

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I also have the Tangie terp profile of this CBD Isolate carrier but thats for the next round in a few weeks. Will edit for updates.

Posted Sep 3, 2018, 8:16 PM UTC · edited

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BigAlligatorPears•

Thanks for all the great info, hope they start carry these product long term

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DataB4seOP•

No problem. Thought I'd try my hand at contributing to the community. Ditto on the long term hopes, especially the "Isolate Carrier" since with a little bit of DIY, you have a homemade CBD isolate Vape Cartridge at a very cost effective rate.

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pfabber•

Enjoyed the review, thanks for sharing with us

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disposable•

Where's the review?

edit: looks like you can't see the text on old reddit.

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DataB4seOP•

Weird. I am using and did use new reddit to create the post so maybe backward compatibility issues.

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MassTerpenes•

Thanks for the post! Isolate can be tough to thicken up however putting it in the mixing vial uncapped and putting it in the oven for a half hour or more at 150-175F. This allows you to use as little of the carrier as possible with the max amount of isolate however it is not necessary if you are using a cartridge with smaller intake holes. We usually recommend a 0.9mm or 1.2mm intake cartridge with this product since it’s naturally going to have a thinner consistency. Just avoid using a plastic cartridge with anything containing terpenes. We’re working on a thicker variant of this for the CCell users

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DataB4seOP•

Good to know I can thicken it a bit up with some heat but yeah the Transpring A3 I tried with 0.9mm holes works fine and hasn't had any leaking issues or oversaturation issues, so I don't see myself going through that extra step since its not necessary as long as you use an appropriate cartridge. Still I look forward to a thicker variant just for the sake of variety and versatility.

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