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bgr95

Regarding environmental conservatism

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I have been following his work quite closely. 

My take on your view on religion is this: Religion is a value system that helped the species flourish. This is likely to have developed over generations. It was a trial and error situation, and the best actions survived.

But when it comes to environmental issues it's not a trial and error situation. Fuck ups in this situation are irreparable, the future of the whole world is at stake. We have to abstractly(without actually trying them out) think about these things and decide how to act on these things. Any radical changes to the environment in the form of carbon dioxide or methane percentage can be serious and irreversible. 

You could then hope some technological revolution to change the things but it's a big gamble I feel.

Posted Sep 14, 2018, 5:38 AM UTC · edited

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right-folded•

I too feel that relying on good old wisdom in destroying environment is a bit silly.

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ee4m•

The big difference being made in that area is China and similar States that invest in it heavily.

The conservative take - just let us keep making profits and the free market will fix it, its just more dishonesty in a long story of denial and dishonesty on it.

I suspect there are those that view it the same way they do intentional food shortages in Ireland, India and who knows where else, a form of holocaust.

Big oil, the free market slash right libertarian movement have their man in the white house now, they have deregulated pollution regulations, are censoring climate change information and have gone back to coal.

The super rich invest in bunkers, trump says there is no such thing as climate change yet is building walls around his coastal golf courses because of rising sea levels.

I think Chomsky is right when he says we have the most dangerous regime on the planet running things in America.

We have never had a evil that is hostile to every living thing on the planet.

I'm going to go into theory now. Musk - gets trillions from the tax payer with a goal of putting a million on mars.

My guess is he is their man, they believe the elite will leave the planet after they destroyed it.

As a aside, there was a journalist at some elite meeting. They were talking about their bunkers and one mentioned "the event" . As in when the event happens. Idk what that means, they might be talking a nuclear event, I suspect american elite conservatives will use the nuclear option in the case of the old enemies, Russia and China winning and the demise of the dollar. Under trump the production of nuclear weapons is gearing up.

One possible outcome is that the tables will be turned and the rest of the world will place sanctions and send in the weapons inspectors.

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bgr95OP•

The elite is a bad way of categorizing things I feel. It just goes back to the victim vs oppressor situation.

As for Elon, I feel his intentions are quite contrary to what you have written. Electric cars, renewable power, reusable rockets, etc.

Makes me feel Jordan Peterson is ideologically driven in this kind of matters. I mean you can just predict his views on environment might be based on his political views. Which seems interesting to me.

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ee4m•

Yeah, you're right about musks interest in these things ... I don't know what extent the science is saying game over no matter what we do. I believe that anyone playing it down is doing it for the money or is just plain mislead. I don't think that anyone is genuinely so into individualism that they will support the individual right of a minority to potentially kill near everything on the planet, at the same time its also very possible to be ideologically possessed by the invisible hand ideology and believe that the market will provide the answer. Same goes for left verses right ideology. I think Jordan is an astute business man. I read an interview with another big conservative academic who works for one of those conservative foundations, he was being interviewed while flying first class. Christina Hoff sommers works for one too and has gotten some decent looking plastic surgery over the years. If you are a career academic that's where you want to be.

If there is an answer provided, I think it will come from a socially funded source and then the market will take private ownership once the public has made it profitable to do.

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