AMA (9/16-9/23): Dave Foss, Vice President, PDGA Board of Directors
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Posted Sep 16, 2018, 9:06 PM UTC
This was a pretty hot discussion on r/discgolf after the Ledgestone open.
Are you ok with Tournament Directors using their position as TD to promote religious or political messages?
I think u/CallMeNutty put it best in that thread:
I personally have not and would not include an overtly political or religious statement in my tournament literature. That being said, there is nothing in the competition manual that outlaws such a statement from a TD.
The question that I would ask is, "Is there an aggrieved party in this situation?" If a religious or political post by a TD leaves its participants feeling unwanted at a tournament, then that creates a problem.
I would suggest that if a player believes that the actions of a TD have created a situation that makes said player uncomfortable or negatively affects their performance, they should complete the TD feedback form and address their concerns with the TD. You may also consider contacting the competition committee with your concerns, identifying the reasons why you believe that posts such as these would create a negative environment.
With all due respect, this is such a weak response from someone actually in a position to make a difference. You said yourself that you “have not and would not include any overtly political or religious statement” in your tournament literature, and I’d bet it’s because you understand why doing so is problematic. So why not be a proponent for codifying restrictions? Why not defend a position that clearly benefits the sport and its growth?
You dance around this issue by asking if there’s really a problem and framing the situation as if it’s the responsibility of any aggrieved player to make it a big deal if they truly are bothered. You’re expecting and counting on the natural inclination of a person to ignore a “minor” inconvenience for the sake of their livelihood. To claim something is not a big deal unless someone makes it a big deal is entirely disingenuous.
To answer the question you posed, “Is there any aggrieved party in this situation?” I’ll list what I can come up with, and you tell me if you think any of these parties are aggrieved:
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I want to comment that I think the above statement is the most important thing you said. It isn't about the TD's intent. Its about the effect on the participants.
I also think that there's a reasonable "if this is a problem, we'll address it, but we also need to see if this is an actual problem" argument that you've made. Nate is the example I have of this behavior, but if its JUST him, and he stops, then this probably doesn't need to be codified. I respect your desire to get more information from the affected parties before taking further action. Thank you for your response.
I would consider that "if he needs to stop" is also an option. This is at least the 4th year that Nate has included a message similar to this at Ledgestone and there were no prior concerns raised to him in previous years. I would again focus on the aggrieved party - if there was a player at Ledgestone who was made to feel uncomfortable, they should contact Nate and share their position. If the complainants were solely on the internet and no players themselves were actually affected, is there a problem? The key here is some honest communication.
Thank you for yours. I'm glad you're on the board.
To what message are you referring?
The image contained in the reddit post liked to by the word “This”
This has nothing to do with current DG initiatives or furthering the sport. It’s your reaction to one TD’s religious message.
Yes it does. People feeling alienated and choosing to not start or stop playing disc golf because they feel politically or religiously alienated explicitly hurts "furthering the sport".
Your argument rests on either denying that those people exist or saying that they don't matter. Neither is an attitude that will help grow the sport.
Do people really feel alienated by a sign that expresses a different view than their own, politically or religously (or other)? If so, how common is it for people to feel alienated by such a message? I ask because I personally find it difficult to relate to it.
It really really really depends on what 'the message' is. And whether 'the message' directly and personally affects you.
Some Christian churches actively discriminate against LGBT people.
Okay, I’m gonna take you seriously. What do you want the PDGA to do about this?
Within the current means of enforcement for negative behavior by tournament directors(edit: or other officials), rules and enforcement for endorsing a religious or political viewpoint (edit: in an official capacity) should be added. The political or religious viewpoint should not matter. The penalties should be in line with other infractions for negative behavior.