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Remiu

Serious question: How would you deal with a LATE game Riki in this meta?(looking for tips)

Question

I've been playing Riki for quite a while now and just noticed 1 thing about it, I've yet to find any counter play against a late game Riki. I know you can fuck him up easily in the early game and that just breaks the entire game for a Riki but lets talk about purely late game.

Now you maybe asking "wtf are you talking about?", "buy wards", "buy gem"; I'm talking about his ultimate.

Now I already know what you're all going to say, "BKB", "GC", "Aeon disk(at some point)". Well those don't/didn't really really work...

The way I've been building riki lately is diffusal straight into Nullifier, the moment I get that nullfier every target just dies.

So again, I'd like to hear your opinions of what you'd do when you play against something like this:

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https://i.redd.it/tgpguz5jdkn11.jpg

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Posted Sep 21, 2018, 9:53 AM UTC

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dogshitshitstainLove couldnt exist without hate•

a late game riki is one of the most broken late game carries right now thanks to osfrog and his talents, u need to somehow initiate first on him now and if he ulti first u are fucked up

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RemiuOP•

seems to be the only way...

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SpoojyCat•

None of them have a ghost scepter or euls.

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sleepyhollow8•

pick zeus or get gem and hex seems to be the only way

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SNAX_DarkStar•

Forcestaff works to escape from his ulti :D

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RemiuOP•

Nullifier disables forcestaff...

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shadowgospel•

Here's a tip. Force Staff can be cast on/by allies. But then again, I dont think Archons have the capacity to work together.

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RemiuOP•

and hence why I didn't include it to be used that way. Thanks for the clarification!

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xso111•

last time i checked you can still force staff an ally that is nullified.

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hi_i_am_truly_false•

Aeon Disk, then force staff.

Atos.

Sentries.

Orchid/Abyssal.

Bkb.

Ghost Scepter.

Scythe of Vyse.

Halberd.

Armour.

Euls.

Shadow Blade.

Basically not blindly following Torte De Linis guide every single game, and think about how to counter the enemy heroes and items.

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Jazdac•

that's why it is important to have two supports in your team... they can both build a force staff and save their teammates. also a lot of ranged carries can build hurrican pike. the more force staffs u have the better.

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killercock24Divine -1•

Every single item can be countered, doesn't mean you shouldnt build it, damn u triggered me wiht that response.

Just buy force and bait him with sentrys, it's a pretty shitty hero until diffusal,even then he's super low hp and dies kinda easily.

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Kaikar0•

you wont have any counters in archon bracket

i think when u reach mid legend/ancient you wont even reach late because your offlane will be stomped if you play pos4 riki, without you doing much

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Kaikar0•

also it was a full core game, shit like that does not happen when u got some more MMR and your team will play with more coordination

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mgd234•

tbh riki is even stomping divine+ games now, in general pub games tend to go late enough for him to hit his power spikes

once you have diffusal you can solo kill most heroes with double your networth and get shitloads of gold/xp

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RemiuOP•

I doubt i'd reach ancient lol. I've been consistently up and down in archon. But again, I know early game can fuck up a riki but how about if it does reach late game. Anything to add that might contribute?

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Kaikar0•

i think with a gem, some heavy initiation and CC + hex will get you down really quickly

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RemiuOP•

So I guess it's just a matter of who initiates first, damn. That feels really OP if that's the case especially for a hero who has perma invis.

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happyd0nut•

If the game was good enough for me to learn from I would look into the reasons why the game went late, how I could've slowed down his timings, impact etc, in game choices and my items.

The fact the game goes late vs one of the weakest early and laning heros in game is your answer.

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mgd234•

you don't, he's ridiculously OP lategame now

you have to abuse how shitty he is before his power spikes

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zdonfrank90•

Multiple force staffs, aeon disk, ghost sceptet.

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xso111•

can you tell me how is riki broken in late game? only time i really have trouble with riki is if he snowballs. you stun him and he dies real quick, once his ult is down he can't manfight any equally geared hard carry, and its not like you can't save the carry that is inside his ult via force staff, disruption, cold embrace etc....

tbh this thread looks like a QQ thread of a lower bracket player who doesn't know/experienced the idea of teamwork

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mgd234•

his 25 talent makes the aoe bigger than force staff and it lasts for 10 seconds with aghs, constantly bashing and doing shitloads of aoe damage on a low cooldown. it's hard to fight into or punish if the game gets to that point.

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RemiuOP•

You are aware that I posted my profile in there right? If you thought archons had any capacity to do something for their teammate other than to occasionally ward then you have much better expectations than what I play with on a daily basis.

If they did so I wouldn't be here asking for tips on how to deal with this, anything lower than ancient is the same as playing alone against 4 neutrals and 5 enemies.

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