Progression of Each Spurs' Net Plus Minus - 4 players in the positive
Posted Dec 11, 2018, 2:34 PM UTC
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I thought Rudy's would be higher, but the last 9 games have dropped his and the starters' scores a ton.
Check out that nosedive starting at game 18!
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I appreciate it, but I don't understand it.
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+/- is just how much the spurs outscored the opponent or got outscored while the player was on the court. So for example, right now for all of the time Patty has been on the court this season, the spurs have scored about 55 points more than the opponents.
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Looks like a running total of +/- metrics (which I've never actually looked into either).
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It's pretty accurate at least for Patty and Poetl, because they were hot garbage when the season started. It is pretty much sorted by bench vs starters, so you can assume these numbers could easily flip with both units if they switched places. I'd love to see this chart by quarter/half.
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+/- stats for an individual is pretty garbage, it have a place when we are looking at performance of a 5-man squad on a large sample space but it is pretty much useless when we talk about a players' individual performance.
Starters have bad +/- because they are playing more games and we are losing a considerable amount.
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Yeah...thats exactly why I'd be curious to see it by quarter, to see the effect of different lineups and not just a lump that basically shows you the starters vs bench. And patty at the start of the season was bleeding points on D. He was the sole reason his +/- was one of the worst in the league.
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Interesting that you used all first names and then Poetl lol
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I just love that name so always use it for him
Reminds me of Squirtle
And just found out I've been spelling it wrong! *Poeltl
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He is using what the player is most commonly called. Fir some reasons LeBron is LeBron and not James and similarly Jacob Poetl is not Jacob but Poetl.
Some of the transition happens as you get to know a player. Patty Mills was Mills while he was a towel waving benchwarmer and transitioned to Patty as he got bigger roles and played better. Then it stuck.
Some if it is what makes a better nickname. Verde for Danny for example to distinguish from all the other Greens in the league and the fact that SA does have a large Hispanic population.
Jacob Poetl is both too new and not well known to get a nickname with Poetl being the name on the jersey, more unique and more interesting to pronounce.
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Land and Elliott call him Jacob all the time.
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Yes they do. Spurs family and all, but the majority do not.
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As a color blind. Fuck these thin line graphs (no offense OP)
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The legend is in the order that they finished
like Patty has the best net plus minus at the end so is listed first and Bryn has the worst and is listed last
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Ohh. That made it easy. Thanks!
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I hate being colorblind
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The legend is in the order that they finished
like Patty has the best net plus minus at the end so is listed first and Bryn has the worst and is listed last
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Gracias
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Great content, always appreciate this kind of work
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Can someone please explain the Plus Minus system to me?
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Its basically a net scoring stat. And not very useful IMO. Its cool content and i appreciate people who post stuff like this but it doesn't take anything else into consideration besides points. Garbage time minutes, opposing team injuries, your actual contribution to the game, none of that.
For example, if Kevon looney is on the court the entire game with 4 of the warriors all stars and they win by 30 then his +/- will be +30 eventhough he truly isn't the reason the warriors won by 30.
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Progressions are a little unreadable without context. I'd love to see this normalized for playing time.
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So what you're saying is patty pau poeltl davis and marco should be our starting 5?
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Forbes must have read this before the game tonight...
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Numbers seem to match up with the eye test; the bench has significantly outperformed the starters and Cunningham is somehow worse than I expected.
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We have some big outliers literally, so it's biased in a sense. This doesn't correlate with current form. This is just adding from game to game and if you don't put the blowout wins it won't look so bad.
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Yikes
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Appreciate seeing data that shows how bad I’ve felt Bryn has been doing even though everyone else I talk to act impressed with his play. His shooting is valuable at times but his defense and dumb fouling make him a net negative nearly always and if he’s missing his shot it gets real ugly real fast.
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To those asking if this is relevant
I was just interested in how this would look and if you could judge a players form by tracking his plus minus like this.
It doesn't really work for individual players but I still found it interesting. I think Bryn suffers cause he never plays with the bench units unlike LMA and Demar who sometimes do. I might do one tracking three-man lineups in the same way soon cause I think that would be more insightful
Certainly seeing Patty, Poetl and Davis near the top makes sense given how well they play together
Dante was the biggest surprise for me
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Not trying to nitpick but it is Poeltl.
Nice stat though. Might try posting in r/dataisbrautiful. They appreciate original content.
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Ah damn, that extra l makes it even cooler tho
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That LMA +/-....
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Who would have thought Pau would be our most consistent player
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Good ol consistent Pau
Can’t teach an old dog new tricks