When Jon was demonstrating how to kill wights to the queen he only talked about dragon glass. Why did he leave out Valyrian steel? Seems like a crucial piece of information to leave out.
Posted Dec 12, 2018, 10:47 PM UTC
It's not a reliable way of killing the undead since there are so few Valyrian steel swords. I suspect he doesn't want people to know he has an ancient artifact weapon either. People will kill to get a treasure of such value.
Maybe it slipped his mind? I mean compared to dragon glass, there are very few Valyrian steel swords in Westeros. I mean what, one per major house if that really isn’t enough to stop such a threat right? Why mention it
I don't know where I got the idea but I thought valyrian steel was valyrian steel because a dragon flamed over it. Which is also the reason why it kills the WW.
Ergo the Iron Throne? Valyrian swords.
I think Valyrian Steel is supposed to be forged with both magic spells and dragon fire, but the forging procedure has been lost since the Doom of Valyria.
I was salty when they reformged ICE. Like what master level blacksmith has that ability.
I believe it's said that a couple blacksmiths in Westeros can reforge and reshape/tweak Valyrian steel, but no one knows the secrets of actually creating it.
The queen has two Valyrian steel blades Im sure that info would have been important to her.
One, Jaime has one and he gave the other to Brienne
John doesn’t know that though
I think because he was trying to get help from Cersei and the only way she could offer a helping hand in the Great War would be through her armies. So it was important to show her the lethal weapon her armies would need, because only the Jon- Daenerys side would provide that special material. Referring to a weapon which you don’t know where or how many you can find would seem useless.
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Do we even know if Valyrian steel can kill the wights? We saw it resist a walkers sword and kill two white walkers, but have we seen Valyrian steel destroy a wight?
Yes, it kills wights as well. S07E06 Jon is using Longclaw to kill the wights surrounding their group on the island surrounded by ice, as well as when he's the only one left behind from mounting Drogon.
Either it slipped his mind, dragonglass is more available to use, or Jon was never concerned about Cersei joining them, he was after Daenerys’ dragons & army.
As far as the rest of the realm know, the Lannisters are rolling in gold - at this point he's not sure how Cersei is going side. If he told her about the valyrian steel and she decided not to hold with them, he would (or at least think he would) run the risk of having every (limited) available blade being collected up by the Crown and held away from them. That's just my thoughts anyway.
There's not enough Valerian steel in the 7 Kingdoms to make it worth mentioning but, fire and dragon glass, they have plenty of those two.
It's not that relevant TBH, a handful of weapons aren't going to make that big of a difference.
And considering the value of valeryen steel, it possibly could've made his motives seem more selfish and questionable, like he was trying to trick everyone into giving him such expensive weapons.
The swords will be for main characters, to eventually fight the four horseman and NK. Jon most likely will take them on, he's already sorted. Case closed
Well if Cersei and Tyrion didn’t use all the god dang wildfire Valyrian steel would be the least of their worries.
Why so many downvoted in this thread?
Because reddit nerds take their shit way too fucking seriously
Yeah and why didn’t he made it clear to the nights watch before they killed him that the wildlings were coming past the wall regardless, either as live people OR white walkers and that they’d NECESSARILY be turning into just that many more white walkers if they couldn’t pass? He let everyone think he was doing it because he liked the wildlings instead of clearly explaining the shit he saw at hardhome. What a dumbass.
he clearly states in his pitch that either we let them through or just add them to the army of the dead.
Except he did say that..
uh I recommend re watching those episodes.
He does not say in clear terms that he saw the night king raise the dead as zombies. Maybe you should rewatch it if you think he did
It would've looked like he was insisting families give him their priceless heirlooms, and it could've derailed his presentation. If he convinces them to join, they're gonna bring them anyway.
Moreover, there are only a few Valyrian weapons left. They are not able to produce more.