Forward secondary scoring numbers

So the hot-topic of the day is secondary scoring and the Oilers total lack of it. The common issue being that with Drake gone the pool has dried up. So the big question is, outside of McDavid, Draisaitl, RNH, Chias-son how come the Oilers suck? Why hasn't Chia provided adequate secondary scoring for the team? And all around a general idea that this is all his fault.

Now I certainly share in the opinion that there are issues with the team. But player accountability has to come into play as well. Clearly the coaches aren't all to blame and Chiarelli certainly isn't going out there and forcing each guy to not put the puck in the net. Which is why through his interview he has a general frustration with his roster. Because outside of the big four...they suck.

The following players are having career poor performances and in a few cases career lows:

Player18/19 PPGPrevious Low PPGCareer PPG
Rieder0.280.30.37
Brodziak0.1380.1440.37
Puljujarvi0.1850.2860.28
Lucic0.2110.4140.58
Kassian0.0860.2220.28
Spooner0.1760.4780.53
Yamms0.1180.3330.23
Rattie0.3180.1820.37

Each of these players are playing below or well below their career average points per game. In some cases by a large margin. Now we can't expect them all to be pulling those numbers, Lucic isn't his young self and Brodziak is an older vet. But the rest of these players are in the prime of their careers.

I don't think any GM could field a winning team or for that matter make adequate moves to fix depth scoring when you have most of your depth playing career poor seasons. No one predicts that and certainly you'd hope that a coaching change would boost that up. I'm not saying that Chiarelli shouldn't be doing something to improve the depth scoring on the team. But frankly these players should be embarrassed with the performances they've been having all season and their overall lack of give a shit.

I personally thought that Puljujarvi would have broken out by now, and for a pick as high as he was he should be producing. I don't think TMac helped his development at all, but he also hasn't helped his own development by doing something on the ice about it.

Yams is in his second year and I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but he was a night and day change from the pre-season to the regular season. Likewise for Rattie, two players who had the confidence and the performances showing of a good year ahead then they just died right off and got back to playing scared hockey.

Kassian has been invisible in every sense of the word. His only contribution is in the form of PIMs where he has removed himself from the game...which has been a positive because he's been steaming hot garbage...for 14mins/game.

Spooner has looked almost the exact same, might as well be a ghost because outside of doing nothing for his 7-9mins/game he is a waste of a roster spot most nights.

Rieder apparently plays 12-14mins/game but honestly if he's doing anything out there it's dumping and changing and certainly not putting the puck in the night or producing in any way.

Brodziak is an aging vet who has still put up decent numbers in his last several seasons. But this year he's been doing nothing for the team.

Lucic....just....ugh.

At the end of the day it's up to a coach to get the most out of the players in front of him and I don't think TMac did that at all, but at the same time some of these players are playing a confusing game of hockey where they seem to provide nothing but a shift of wasted time. Which is fine if they were also keeping the puck out of the net at a high level, but they're not even doing that.

The most embarrassing thing is how many of the Oilers defense are above large swaths of the Oilers forwards in point production. Nurse/Klefbom/Larsson/Benning/Russell are ahead of every player on this list except Lucic..who has squeaked in a raw 8 points tying him with Russell and Benning.

I'm sorry this doesn't entirely play into the narrative of Chiarelli being the blame and Chiarelli being the reason these players aren't scoring. But to me, I have a hard time looking at the career seasons for Khaira/RNH/Chiasson/McD/Draisaitl and thinking that there isn't more to be given from the rest of the guys. If they were all playing career averages and the team was still sucking I'd agree that Chiarelli has the wrong guys for the job. But he has guys who statistically should be producing at least a bit more but aren't.

End of the day....winning is what matters and this group isn't winning.

Posted Dec 31, 2018, 7:24 PM UTC

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Beef--Whore7 COFFEY•

I think it's tough to score in the league today when you don't have any good puck movers. Klef and StarKris are okay in that regard, and their absence has hurt.

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FirstFlightOP93 NUGENT-HOPKINS•

I would completely agree, if our D weren't putting up some points.

Edit: "some" points...being the key.

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Beef--Whore7 COFFEY•

Successful zone exits by defenders passing, doesn't necessarily translate to points for them. If any of the defense are scoring points, it's from assists on their point-muffin shots.

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FirstFlightOP93 NUGENT-HOPKINS•

I don't know man, I'm sure that's an aspect of it. But it still doesn't excuse their numbers. They still have the shot totals, and they are getting zone exits from their end. Just watching these guys play, it certainly doesn't seem like the defenders passing and zone exits are the issue.

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Beef--Whore7 COFFEY•

Look around the league at the higher scoring teams. They all have a few defenders who can move the puck effectively.

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maasd97 MCDAVID•

Well if the Oilers go ahead and play McDavid, Drai, and Nuge as centers on their own lines, you’ve got to believe at least a couple of these players will start to score.

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revitalizingtonic•

Not the case tonight, all goals from them, with assists from them :(

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maxrebobandlive97 MCDAVID•

This team is out to prove that you don't need depth to win. So far, it's just a theory.

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FirstFlightOP93 NUGENT-HOPKINS•

To be fair, McDavid did prove it for the first 10 games of the season....

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maxrebobandlive97 MCDAVID•

And he needs to get back to that. He's also out to prove that one man can drag a team to the playoffs. Again.

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FirstFlightOP93 NUGENT-HOPKINS•

Personally I'd love to see him get 200 points...but I would much rather see the rest of the team remember this isn't beer league after a pitcher each...

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[deleted]•

This is the MO for 12 years now. Every player to ever put an Oiler silk on will see their play stagnate or regress. You can count on your fingers the number payers who have actually improved. In over a decade.

And no one talks about this. At all. It's mind blowing how this is the biggest reason for Oiler fail for years and no one notices....

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FirstFlightOP93 NUGENT-HOPKINS•

I think we all notice it, but we also all mock the fact that the teams biggest changes over the years have been fourth liners and depth defence. So what needs to change? Katz out? The remnants of the old boys club? Because I have a hard time blaming Chiarelli for depth players having career low seasons at such a huge rate. Especially given this has been going on since the 2006 run. It’s like there’s something in the water...Or some kind of curse. Maybe we’re too crazy of fans and hockey players can’t take scrutiny from such a fan base.

But I completely agree, why is it no player progresses in their career here.

Personally I feel like the comments of Ference really hold true, players feel like the organization isn’t behind them when they have a bad game so they feel like they can’t screw up. So guys who aren’t stars just play it safe and don’t really push to make the skill play, they make the safe plays. And you don’t score on the safe plays. I just found his comments about that really explain a lot when it comes to guys who would rather disappear from the media radar than face being blasted for making a mistake. Like when Strome got undressed in overtime by Crosby, he got caught on a shift by the second best player in the league. And yet the media and fans absolutely annihilated him for it as though he let Crosby just undress him and make a fool of him on purpose.

I don’t know. It would just be nice if there was a middle ground. I feel like my comment is contradictory but I also think it goes hand in hand, in the sense that these guys need to do more but we can’t blast them for trying to make plays. If that makes sense. Or maybe it’s just another sad season and it feels hopeless either way cheering for losers

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