16 year old arrest for stabbing two men at Sydney's Scientology HQ
abc.net.au/news/2019-01-03/stabbing-at-sydney...
abc.net.auPosted Jan 3, 2019, 2:48 AM UTC
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abc.net.auThose darned kids trying to fix things again.
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If it turns out he was being held against his will this will get very interesting...
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Seems unlikely, since the article states that the teenager was being escorted off premises at the time.
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Don't trust a word a Scientologist says. They probably declared the kid a supressive person and were refusing to let his mother see him.
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Sure, but that wasn't known at the time I made that comment. And it seems to be an ongoing issue with the church.
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Christ that’s sad if it’s true.
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Escorted off.. or being detained?
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He was probably declared a suppressive person, CoS forced his family to kick him out of home, and he came looking to see mum, who Scientologist were refusing to let see him, because, SP. So the kid snapped and stabbed someone when they tried to remove him.
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Or he was on a purification rundown and went nuts and tried to leave, but yeah.. they did something to this kid.
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I'm waiting to see if its a claim of self-defense... Several people have died during intense CoS auditing. (Lisa McPherson..)
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Turns out you can't just cut your Operating Thetans.
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Tragic story and I'm not here to make light of the events but...
"Emergency services were called to the religious centre ..."
Religious centre? Really?
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What are you implying? Scientology has just as much claim to be a religion as any other religion you can name.
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Why is this getting downvoted? Scientology is officially recognised as a religion, whether or not you agree with the nonsense they teach.
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yo, who is the decision maker on recognising religions? asking for a friend
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Just make one up. Get some disciples and you're golden.
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All jokes aside, the organisation that could get you closest to being recognised as a religion is the ATO. Yes the tax office.
As far as I know we don’t officially have a way of “recognising” a religion in Australia it’s just the fact that a religious body gets tax-exemptions and is regarded as a not-for-profit.
So as u/karma3000 said, make one up, get yourself enough gullible followers and then hustle yourself a tax-exemption from the ATO and you’re as good as you can get to being a “religion”. Deities and Messiahs optional but highly recommended.
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almost as edgey as that knife that he used.
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I didn't know that Scientology was legal in Australia.
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Unfortunately they managed to win a court case in South Australia which can be summarised as “even if Scientology itself was designed as a money-making scam, the fact that some of its members deeply believe in it qualifies it as a religion”, and that is used as a worldwide basis for them receiving “actually a religion” status in many other countries :(
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They have a long history in Australia.
Several of the famous ex-Scientologists are Australian. Mike Rinder, Yvonne Gilham and Hana Whitfield. They are from Scientology families who joined the church in the 50s and 60s.
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UPDATE: One of the stabbed men has died
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Nah his thetan has just left his physical body for the landing station on Venus.
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Yeah, we get it. Scientologists believe some wacky stuff. But so does every other religion, and someone's son/brother/father just died. Be cool man.
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Excuse me this is not whacky it’s real life. The thetan has probably already been reimplanted so there’s nothing to worry about.
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It still isn’t funny bud
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Doubling down on an insensitive joke about someone's death? That's a bold strategy, cotton.
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One of those 'wacky' things is the forced dissociation from family members who won't join the cult...
I see it very likely the relatives of the guy who died haven't heard from him in 40+ years, especially if he's higher OT level.
And now the Police now have to deal with 200+ supposed witnesses who're all giving perfectly-verbatim statements about what happened.
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It's funny how you quoted this this totally reasonable statement (in scientology land) and you seem to think he is joking. When the founder of Scientology died, the current ceo declared that LRH had discarded his body as it wasn't useful any longer, so he could continue working outside the body. This is serious business.
The guy that was murdered simply got stabbed in the neck on purpose so he could discard his body and continue working. This is a great honour.
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Hi Karen!
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I feel sorry that someone lost their life.
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Had to scroll waaaay too far down to find a post with some empathy. Someone died, this kid’s life is fucked, I wish people could show at least a tiny bit of respect
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At Reddit. Not a lot going around. It’s a dog eat dog world out there in anonymous world.
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If they tried to make me do the ‘Saint Hill Special Briefing Course’ I would want to stab everyone too.
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President Xenu is not going to be happy about this.
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And this is what happens when you invite a bunch of people to talk about "Mental health" Only to have it be a recruitment strategy for your cult.
Good riddance, I hope the kid gets zero jail time.
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damn Karen gonna have a lot of reading to do, everyone say "hi Karen"!
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Hi Karen. Bye Karen.
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My guess is he was trying to leave.
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I also didn't read the article.
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Those details weren't there when I posted.
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Details are still emerging on this story so let's try and be reasonable with any sort of info we may or may not know, especially with the arrested in question being a minor
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Where is Tom Cruise when you need him?
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Sitting there with a cup of kool-aid
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Jumping on couches with some dried Placenta snacks is more his thing.
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Nah he is just hiding in a closet.
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I don't imagine the jokes would be as highly upvoted if this was a major religion. I'm not on the side of Scientology but it is equally as invalid a belief as Islam, Christianity and Judaism.
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All valid cults.
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Real religions provide community services for free. CoS is a business.
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Just shows how fucked people are in here
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I hate to know what Scientology gets upto in those anachoic chambers... for context this building used to be the national acoustic laboratories
From the article
I’ve always been curious about what they get up to in there. I got approached by one them outside their Castlereagh St joint and really wanted to go in just for the heck of it to see what goes on but I’m too paranoid of getting in way over my head!
I went in one day when they approached me on the street at castlereagh st.
I did like a 200 question multiple choice personality test. Some of the questions were pretty funny.
Then some 17 year old boy told me my results and said I was a angry man and they could help me. This quickly followed by asking for dollar signs for said help.
I told the boy I wasn't angry and I have no idea how he could of gathered that from my 200 question multiple choice when with the majority of my answers I probably answered towards the complete opposite of angry.
There was one question in then middle of the questions which was something along the lines of 'how likely are you to donate money to a religious institution?' It didn't really fit in with any of the other questions but i found it very amusing that it was in there.
The trick to the “personality” tests they do is that they’re not measuring you against any sort of objective standard, but rather that they’re measuring you against what L. Ron Hubbard said was the right answers. And he was... hmmm... how shall I say it... an odd guy. :P so of course, by that measure, any normal person off the street would be rated as “needs improvement”! Lol
LRH was a paranoid schizophrenic who thought psychiatrists were out to get him so decided to invent his own version of psychiatry to treat himself and along the way realised the best way to get rich in the world was to start a religion, so used his self taught psychiatry as the basis of the new religion. Then he bought a boat and filled it full of kids and spent a decade on the high seas evading authorities while having a personal "guard" assigned to himself purely made of underage children who were his "messengers" who's job was to attend to his every need and whim. He also believed that children were not children but fully mature adults in small bodies.
Who's good at reading between the lines?
I went to one while I was sightseeing in Hollywood. They did the same thing. After the multiple choice questions they pick apart any negative aspects about your personality. No ones perfect so everyone has something to talk about. Next thing I know they’re trying to get me to talk about my mothers death from 10 years ago and all sorts of heavy shit and get me into a group session. I keep telling them I can’t afford it. It was like $200 for an hour. Eventually they say I can do it free of charge. So I sit in a little room and watch an intro film to the group session thing. It’s over the top dramatic, showing the wonder of Scientology, all the property they own, old elron in his navy suit, it’s really over the top, I’m laughing my ass off. Then the group session, I’m alone in this big room with a lot of seats and a Mexican woman who must be new is struggling to read a lesson on stress management. The things they were trying to teach me were pretty basic stress management techniques, go for a walk, things like that but the videos they played always had crappy acting of old people stressed at work, then they find the book of Scientology and next minute they’re driving a sports car, it was like a bad danos direct telemarketing add. Honestly I think someone with nothing, and a alcohol problem or something that walks in off the street could get help just like at AA, and maybe turn their life around, but the majority of people are wasting their time. There’s better self help classes on YouTube and they won’t brain wash you or go see a trained professional with your problems, not a cult.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purification_Rundown
Sounds good.....
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Purification Rundown
The Purification Rundown, also known as the Purif or the Hubbard Method, is a controversial detoxification program developed by Scientology's founder L. Ron Hubbard and used by the Church of Scientology as an introductory service. Scientologists consider it the only effective way to deal with the long-term effects of drug abuse or toxic exposure. It forms the basis for drug rehabilitation and detoxification programs operated by church-affiliated groups such as Narconon, Criminon, Second Chance, and the International Academy of Detoxification Specialists. The program combines exercise, dietary supplements and long stays in a sauna (up to five hours a day for five weeks).
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Calisthenics shit yeah, where do I sign up!
To be fair the integrity of the auditing is probably better than EY
Sick burn. Someone call the wambulance.
Someone works 70 hours a week and earns $60k a year lmao
The documentary called "going clear" delves into Scientology and it's practices if you're interested.
Why did they close and sell those, anyway?
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That building was amazing.
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The rooms were probably stripped back to a concrete shell and all the special sound dampening equipment and wall coverings relocated to the new facility at Macquarie Park. Fitting out the anechoic chambers wouldn't have been cheap, and I doubt the National Acoustic Laboratories just left all their kit there when they moved out.
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Wow, that's surprising that you guys would have just left all of that stuff behind. Was it all at end-of-life/obsolete, or was it just deemed too expensive and uneconomical to take it with you?
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Saw the place before Scientology moved in. The chambers were huge concrete boxes mounted on springs, with sound absorbing pyramid shaped foam on all internal surfaces. The floors were steel mesh, floating about 1m above the sound absorbing stuff.
Close the door and you could hear your own blood flow.
There were about 6 of these rooms, various sizes. The largest one was about a 10 m cube.