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Posted Jan 3, 2019, 3:33 AM UTC
They're both young guys, on a crowded team, who have gone through slumps. It happens. No need to start flinging shit and starting fires. Also probably would be better to take the angle that Jaylen didn't deserve all of the hate, instead of trying to hint that now Jayson does.
I mean that’s the point I was trying to make. I love both Jays but seeing one be the butt of every joke and get constantly shit on, while the other is crowned the savior of the franchise, is upsetting when both are equally inconsistent and both make dumb plays and mistakes.
Jayson is having a tough time. It happens. This thread is a bad look and I’m a jaylen fanboy.
He's also posting a +18 net rating and a +15 simple +/- in that same stretch
Gordon was a -7 tonight. Plus Minus is a trash stat
Because it isn't an absolute indicator of a player's skill like people pretend it to be. We've been solid with Tatum out there because he adds more to the team than just scoring
On 1 game it's a little misleading (see Thies +50 or whatever crazy number) over a few games it becomes a little more indicative (see Marcus "winning plays" Smart)
Yep, Tatum is super impactful. His gravity and defense are underrated.
Why are Jaylen fans so petty and insecure? Root for all of our guys to play well. Jesus. It's the Boston Celtics, not the Boston Jaylens.
Is this really coming from the guy that only wants Jaylen Brown to play well so we can trade him for Anthony Davis? Stop being a hypocrite. Listen to your own advice and start rooting for all our guys to play well and stop putting them down.
He's off limits for AD though
This is just the sophomore slump.
That said, Gordon has played better. Might should try Tatum off the bench for a game or two and see if he can get it going again.
Young players aren’t very consistent as a general rule. I don’t understand why people expect them to be dropping 25 a night. The young players are going to have growing pains because they are still figuring things out. Every player goes through that.
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He’s made great plays.
Wait when was the team meeting again cause you know they cursed him out after that Bucks game
4 game sample size vs 37 game sample size. I loathe both you and the Jaylen haters stop shitting on our young guys.
You're point about the Jaylen double-standard is valid, but what do you want us to do, shit on Tatum?
It seems like you're kinda doing what you're complaining about.
It's not great. If he doesn't make a leap this season, I think you need to look at his ceiling as significantly lower. Superstars generally get to that level quickly. He was the spitting image of rookie Durant his first season... second season not so much.
That said, Durant got to spend an entire season as "the man" jacking up 20 shots per game on a bad team (with 43% shooting and 29% from three)... and Tatum doesn't have the luxury of jacking up shots like that. His opportunities for getting reps as a go-to scorer are much more limited - and ultimately he might never reach his best-case scenario. I'd go as far as to say the games in which he has 6 or 7 shots... that's development-stunting wasted opportunities. I think to get to where he needs to get, he should be taking about 16 shots per game right now. On the bright side, Brad has made recent comments about how his potential remains fairly unlimited - so let's hope he gets there. Kinda a bummer with a chaotic team like this with too many guys, poor chemistry, and shifting roles/rotations ... one game a group of players look great and another look terrible.. next game, it's the complete opposite.
There was some chance he could have been on the KD trajectory but I think he's more on the PG mold with a slightly faster growth rate and more advanced offensive skillset but worse defender. Still all NBA potential but he would need to make a bigger development jump in the future both in shooting/finishing and play creation to be a future MVP level player. His first step and explosion isn't great so he's been too dependent on dribbling except it's been more showtime than effective. It might be too small of a sample but while he's been struggling with scoring, his passing/offensive reads and defense has improved from last year. He won't likely be an elite passer because I don't think he has the natural vision but his ball handling and BBIQ shows he should get to secondary playmaker level where he can navigate a PnR (like Gordon).
FWIW, I’ve always seen him as more of a gradual riser. KD was always an ambitious prediction, but I still expect Tatum to be a perennial all-NBA guy in his prime
I got downvoted into oblivion a few weeks ago for saying this. Everyone has been destroying Brown and Rozier, but Tatum has been nearly as inconsistent this year. He just looks more impressive on offense, but there’s really no benefit to a killer move in isolation that ends in a missed layup more often than not.
Make no mistake: I love Tatum and think he is an All-Star in the making, but he has not had a good first part of the season.
Yeah. Also somewhat concerning Tatum has never scored 30+ points over 130 games into his career. I can remember brown doing it 4-5 times off the top of my head, including two days ago and in the playoffs multiple times last year. Hell even Hayward whose foot came off his leg has done it twice already. Not sure if I’m reading into it too much but it isn’t really encouraging he’s never scored 30
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Difference is we all know Tatum is a blue chip guy and will bounce back.
Jaylen is an unknown. He might not ever reach that 2nd tier again.
Jaylen is an unknown
I won’t take this slander
It’s not slander man. Tatum was a 3rd over all pick. That’s pretty elite, unlike Jaylen who dropped all the way down to 3rd overall for a reason. Gotta give blue chip prospects the credit they deserve.
Everyone thought we reached for Jaylen and he’s back to shooting his college splits.
But okay😂
Everyone thought we reached for Tatum too. Remember this was a 3 player draft with Fultz, Lonzo and Josh Jackson being the top 3. To the point where Philly traded us the Kings pick to move up from 3 to 1 and Celtics fans were universally disappointed at how little Danny got back.
Y’all some bird box ass mf’ers😂 your eyes aren’t lying to you.
3rd year and we’re in revere
My eyes tell me Brown is a bad motherfucker and he’s been back for a little while now. Begone, hypebeast.
Yall didnt criticize him last year 🤷🏻♂️ are your eyes lying to you?
2nd time you’ve posted roughly the same thread, and people have acknowledged it. It’s just a rough stretch. He’ll get through it. Not worried. He’s a 2nd year player.
Right, but people aren't giving Brown the same leeway. At times it honestly feels some folks around here want certain players to fail just so they can prove their hot takes right. Like that's more important to them than the success of this young, exciting team
For sure. Not excusing the troll accounts/Tatum bandwagoners, but I’m certainly not going to stoop to their level and start shitting on Tatum because that’s what they did with Jaylen. I believe in Tatum and think he’ll get back on track.
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Some people are. Some people aren't. Even when he was clearly one of our best players out there, it's not like people weren't having a complete meltdown every time Tatum missed a contested 2-pointer.
His recent struggles aren't good. And ultimately we might be stunting his development this season. It pains me to see him have games where he only gets like 6 shot attempts. He NEEDS reps right now for better or worse and those reps need to include contested shots that put him in position as a go-to scorer. If he doesn't get enough of those reps, he might end up having his ceiling lowered substantially. It's a bummer, but despite being the best prospect we've had since Larry Bird, there's a chance Tatum never reaches stardom. That sucks.
Maybe it’s time to admit he’s not as elite of a prospect as you’ve been pumping him up to be. He’s not without his flaws. Having him take less shots isn’t going to stunt his development if he’s not a prospect good enough to reach those superstar levels in the first place.
I disagree. He needs to learn how to play with other talented players and learn to impact the game without scoring and learn how to not play passively. He's still playing great defense and he's always out there in late game. What's being the man if you can't make your teammates better so they dont fail you when you don't have the juice. Also it's not like his number hasn't been called earlier this season. The season is long and players ebb and flow, especially young guys. Also if he's not getting traded, he's realistically gonna spend the next few years with Hayward and Irving and either Brown or AD, and maybe even another high scoring caliber young guy.
bro...no...
That doesn’t mean put them against each other.
Browns been ass all season until recently, Tatum has been great until recently. See the difference?
Weird because per 36 Jaylen only scores 2.3 points less than Tatum. Jaylen hasn't been great, but he's not as ass as everyone thinks.
Early on? brown was ass, the shooting splits most likely favor Tatum as well. Even with his slump. Tatum has better defensive stats rebounding stats assist stats etc. not all about points