2 years ago I slept with over 50 men and my current BF can't get over it.

I had a period in my life where I wanted to have some fun. In doing so I slept with just over 50 men in a short amount of time. I told my current boyfriend of 11 months this last night and now he's being really distant. He has been with 25 women he claims, so I don't see what the big difference is. I'm not fucking these 50 guys currently as I only want to be with him. He says that he is worried that I will cheat on him even though I've never cheated on anyone before. Please help me make sense of this reddit. thanks

Wow. I'm really surprised at the number of negative comments calling me a whore or implying that I have mental problems. Why is it OK if a man were to sleep around with 50 women over a short period of time, he would be called a Player/Baller/Pimp/Hero yet when a woman does it, she's labeled as having mental issues/slut/whore/cunt. Why is America so puritanical? So I had sex with 50 healthy men, sometimes 2 per day, but mostly a few a week. I am an attractive female who attracts good looking men. I like to have sex. Why is this so hard for the hive mind to comprehend a woman who knows what she wants? The reason why I've been in a relationship with my BF for 11 months is because I'm through with that. I got my kicks and got out. I am a lot more happy where I am today but that doesn't mean I didn't have fun doing what I did.

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You told him this last night. It's not like he's been distant for months and can't get over it. Sorry to sound judgmental but that is a lot of men in a short period. It'd definitely be a shock to me. Dating you for 11 months I'm sure he's close to feeling like he knows you and this wasn't something he was expecting.

Everyone has different views on sex as it's intensely personal. I'm sure he's concerned that you have no emotional attachment to sex and that you can have sex with someone without a seconds thought. That would definitely lead to thinking you could cheat on him. You can dismiss that as irrational if you like, but without a doubt in his head there's a logical connection that if you can have sex with anyone, anytime, anywhere without a care what's to stop you? You should probably just calmly discuss this with him and I'm sure he'll get over it sooner than later. If not, tough for him.

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HashRunner•

Insightful, candid, rational rant (with a side of assumption :P)

Either way, this is probably what your BF is going through. While it may be irrational to you that such a thing could prove controversial, it obviously has struck him differently. Try to be understanding about his concerns and be honest.. GL

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ComradeM•

The "rant" is not irrational. It's literally based on reason and tempered logic....that's practically the definition of rational.

The "rant" is not "moralizing".

At no point did the poster say that what OP did was morally wrong, or that the boyfriend was in the right. There were no moral judgments whatsever. That's literally the opposite of 'moralizing.'

It made no judgements either.

Speculating on someone's internal reasoning is not the same as endorsing said reasoning.

To quote a great movie:

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it mean"

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I upvoted you instead.

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fmota•

I upvoted you instead.

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Divide a man's number by 3. Multiply a woman's number by 3. OP slept with 150 men. Boyfriend slept with 8.

Whether or not that's true, the boyfriend might be thinking she's slept with more than 50, and the girlfriend might not realize that 25 was a greatly exaggerated number.

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workinghard9•

I don't think your american pie psychology is true. I imagine the OP did sleep with around 50 and why would 25 be an exaggerated number, it's not a particularly high number for someone older than 20.

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slavetothought•

Why the down votes for you?

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As a dude I would have to say that would mindfuck me. I don't know why but i can brainstorm.

  1. It says you don't attach a very high emotional value to sex.
  2. It says you're easy, so it says he didn't attract someone with very high standards, which in turn doesn't say anything flattering about him.
  3. It says you lied by omission for a long time.
  4. Society dissaproves, and whether society is right or wrong, it does weigh in.

I don't know why you would tell a guy this. I would think it makes you feel guilty, so ask why it makes you feel guilty. If it doesn't make you feel guilty then why would you ruin his day by telling him something like that. That was stupid, don't do that, and if he asks lie, because there is no reason to tell the truth unless you have an STD or emotional scarring, or something that is actually serious from your escapades.

Of course I've never been in a relationship so take anything I say in this subreddit with a boulder of salt.

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Cthulutini•

That isn't really lying by omission... some guys just don't want to know and telling them an exact number makes them uncomfortable, even if the number is very small. Telling a guy how many other guys you've slept with without a direct request from him to know is kind of forcing him to think about you sleeping with other guys. Keeping it to yourself until asked is perfectly reasonable.

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Exactly. My boyfriend has never asked me what my number is, so I've never told him. If he wanted to know, he'd ask.

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barkbarkbark•

Oh neat, you have a boyfriend??

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I would only call it a lie by omission if she felt guilty for not telling him, or if it was relevant to him because there's a reason he should know: I have x unresolved psychological issues, or I have an STD. Which doesn't seem to be the case.

I mean the OP didn't really give us any information about what actually happened or how it was presented or who asked or why it was said.

I for one would never ask, and never want to know.

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d0wn•

This x2537853.

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Let me introduce you to Mr. Upvote arrow. He likes to replace phrases like 'This'

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esotericguy•

Upvote arrow? All I see is an orange sunrise over a white H.

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bardlo•

But there's no up arrow x2537853.

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readergirl•

It tells you that at one time she placed a high value on sex, with or without the emotional connection. It tells you she wanted sex as much as most men profess women to want sex and didn't let not having a steady partner stop her from addressing her own physical needs. It tells you that when she found a wonderful partner who met her needs she had no more desire to have sex outside of that emotional bond - which says something really great about him if he can get past himself to see it.

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MeanMotherHubbard•

It tells you that when she gets tired of her wonderful partner who meets her needs she could have another 50 in the time it takes him to get her beyond saying 'i'm fine' when he asks 'are you okay'

It tells me that she has no discrimination, or discernment, possibly has impulse control problems and likes risk. She could have found one guy amongst the fifty that she liked enough to make a steady booty call, but instead she went for the rush of new meat. That doesn't make me feel safer as a boyfriend. It also tells me that she is clueless since she thinks he should just get over it in a day because she said so. I am going to go out on a limb here and suggest that he has never had to deal with this before, and consequently might take a little time. Its a pretty big bait and switch.

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readergirl•

Really? 26 days later???

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taylortsides•

If this person wanted to have sex with 50 people and wasn't conned into it with false promises of relationships or something along those lines, I wouldn't say that makes them "easy." If all you're after is sex, and in turn, you get it, I would say that means you've found what you're looking for.

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These are very similar to reasons to why it would take me a while to digest that my girlfriend had sex with 50 guys in a short space of time, in the recent past.

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dsfargeg1•

If it doesn't make you feel guilty then why would you ruin his day by telling him something like that.

I presume because it's important to him. On the one hand you complain about lying by omission, on the other you advocate lying by omission. I don't get it.

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jllunsfo•

if you lie by omission and he finds out, he feels bad.

if you lie by omission and keep lying by omission, he never knows and is juuuuust fine.

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I have to ask you though, would you feel the same way if it were a male instead of a female?

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That's kind of a moot question. Because I am a guy, and thus don't know how a girl would feel. I am suggesting how I might feel and I am a guy.

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I understand, but what would you think if one of your buddies told you he 'scored' with that many chicks? Would it phase you at all? I'm just curious to understand why guys think its awesome to lay as many woman as possible, but when woman do it they're presumed whores.

*spelling

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rivenwolf•

With 50 girls in that short of a time? Two DIFFERENT girls a day on more than once occasion, and always a couple different ones a week? Yeah, I'd say something about it to him.

And the whole, woman = whores, men = pimps is related to the whole alpha male complex males have. We're(humans) animals, you can't change the male personality so that it won't matter how many other males the girl he is with gave herself to. If somethings easily available, we might want it, but our focus is going to be on what isn't easily available.

It's just something different about the gender's. Like males being naturally stronger, and females being naturally more agile.

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eroind•

I disagree about lying about things in relationship discussions if it is being asked about/discussed as that can only ever turn out badly in the long run.

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soniabegonia•

So it's wrong to lie by omission but not to lie so long as you don't get caught?

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avidly•

You shouldn't do either in my book. :/

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rhino369•

This is something that either best revealed up front, or not at all. No good comes from telling him. If the woman for some reason feels the need to let everyone she dates know, she should have told him very quickly. But dating him for 11 months and then dropping this bomb is a bad idea. It has likely ruined a good relationship.

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Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not looking for one. I like simplicity, and relationships are much too complicated to merit my interest. I mean from time to time it's kind of fun to rationalize and read scenarios, but on the whole a relationship would require too much change from myself for me to want to "acheive" one. So you certainly don't have to worry about running into, or other girls running into, me, and tbh should a girl jump me I would probably decline.

That being said your response was emotional, and while I may not always agree with what people say, if they respond cohesively with a better scenario that makes sense, or they explain why I'm wrong instead of just getting angry at me, I usually append that to my list of things I have to account for. People always assume peoples opinions are set in stone. Sure while they are arguing maybe, but opinions get amended when people are being intellectually honest... and I try to be at least, even if I can't do it all the time.

In summary, don't tell me I'm stupid, tell me why I'm stupid.

I will also say that I posted expecting to get downvoted, instead I got upvoted, which means that there are a bunch of guys who agree that those things could go through their head, or agree that number of previous partners should be something that is lied about or omitted.

I never said those thoughts were rational, I just said they might happen.

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eos2102•

I don't think you're stupid, but I think you need to be aware that this world consists of wide and wonderful variety of people. There are people who can't separate the emotions from sex, and there are others who view the act as solely a physical pleasure. Then there are many that fall somewhere in-between.

The act of judging others due to their preference on this scale, and down-casting them as 'easy' is more a cop-out than trying to understand that they might in fact be just as normal and happy as you are. My own motto is to try to understand and be open-minded, even if I can't relate, even though sometimes I really find this very hard to do.

For example, another way of looking at your 2nd point is that she had the choice of 50 guys, but out of 50 guys, she chose her partner to stay with. I'd be pretty proud of those odds if it were me in that position.

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Why would you make a personal attack like that on this person? That's really fucking rude. Read what notapsychmajor wrote again with an open mind and try to actually understand his writing--he brings up legitimate thoughts. The only "disgustingly backward idea" in these two posts was that you felt it was okay to say what you just did. Think about that. Seriously; think long and hard.

And another thing: I want to understand why you think his ideas are "disgustingly backward."

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robjarvis•

He has been with 25 women he claims, so I don't see what the big difference is.

About 25.

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Guys almost always inflate. I know my friends usually multiply by 5, so this guy has probably only been with 5 girls.

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caldera15•

the general rule I've heard is that with men you divide by three. With women you multiply by three. So that would men the OP has slept with 150 guys, and her bf has slept with roughly 8.3 women. Which is a huge difference, though I'm intrigued as to what the .3 woman was like.

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workinghard9•

Why do you think this is true? Do you multiply your number? I think this might change as guys get older and it's not really a competition anymore.

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psychminor01•

25 lifetime, vs. 50 in a 'short amount of time'...

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25 is still a high number. He's not a fragile virgin, for god's sakes.

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FrankManic•

What is your point?

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girlprotagonist•

25 still strikes me as a lot.

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I've had sex with 3 different girls in my lifetime. (Then again, I'm probably ugly, right.)

I have no complaints at all. I don't see it as a competition with anyone, and I almost get kind of worried when people start going on about "[their] number."

I wish they could just be happy. I mean, really at peace...

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Just a follow-up thought:

It's not difficult to have sex with another human being. I mean, think about it. It's been done plenty of times before. And it's a very simple process: boy inserts thing 1 into girl's thing 2 (or boy 1 inserts thing 1 into boy 2's thing 2... or girl 1 rubs thing 1 on girl 2's thing 2... ...I'll just stop there... there are a number of different ways you can have sex...). But it just comes down to finding a willing partner. I just don't really see a point in trying to go for "quantity."

I don't mean to offend anyone that hasn't had sex as much as they'd like; I'm just talking about it while looking at it with wide eyes rather than a microscope.

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zip_000•

Thanks for elucidating the many ways people can have sex!

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workinghard9•

Number of people someone has slept with is stupid as it's totally dependant on age. 25 is a lot for a 20 year old, as a 24 year old it's a particularly large number.

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LordFoom•

Put another way: 100%

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breakneckridge•

All guys know that their girlfriend probably isn't a virgin, but 50 guys in a few months is totally different. It's like how you don't expect that your significant other never tried any drugs before, but then you find out that they did a massive amount of meth heroin and crack for a few months - it's not the same thing. Only with sexual matters it makes an even bigger difference, because that's something he shares with you now. If you aren't just a troll, do you honestly not see how or why that would bother your significant other?

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coolmrbrady•

meth heroin sounds like some good shit.

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To quote Steve Martin, "i know my girlfriend has slept with other men before me, she just didn't enjoy it before'. Just tell him he's the best and he will get over it.

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FrankManic•

Bollocks to that! Having lots of sex is only a big deal because our culture stigmatizes the hell out of it.

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threethousandgt•

Only with sexual matters it makes an even bigger difference, because that's something he shares with you now.

I don't understand. Can you elaborate on this?

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breakneckridge•

What part about it do you need clarification on? Sex is an enormously complex thing, people have an enormous amount of emotional things wrapped up in it. Sex between a girlfriend and boyfriend is supposed to be special, but if you've done it with a zillion other guys in a short amount of time, you've made it much less of a special thing. And of course he's naturally going to be comparing himself to all of them. And he's gonna rightfully feel like if you needed 50 guys to satisfy you just 2 years ago, then how on earth are you going to be satisfied with just him now? 2 years is not that long ago, and 50 guys in a few months is definitely WAY outside the range of typical, and which is very often an indicator of emotional problems. Have you gone to therapy to figure out why you did it? I mean, I could go on and on, do you really not understand why this would be a problem with him? Listen, you might be an awesome person, and you shouldn't feel bad about what you did, but in my non-professional opinion, I think that you might want to go see a therapist for a while and try to figure some things out.

EDIT: And by "you" I mean the OP. And also please take this in the positive way it was intended. Again, you may be an awesome person, and you shouldn't feel bad about what you did, I'm just trying to help.

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rogerssucks•

This is right on the head.

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If you want to fuck your brains out but you're not looking for a relationship - it seems very rational to do it with different guys each time, not neccesarily an emotional problem (of course it can be).

If my partner told me something like that, my conclusion would be that they had a really high sex drive at that time and I'd probably ask my partner if they were happy with OUR sex life(instant insecurity!). Assuming the answer to that was "Yes of course, let's have sex right now", it'd be fine.

You say sex between girlfriend and boyfriend is supposed to be special, I agree. However I don't see how that is diminished by her past in this case, because all that sex she had was not between girlfriend and boyfriend - it was sex for its own sake. Comparing sex-sex and love-sex seems weird, if you've got her love - you've got the effing trump!

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Rambis•

and 50 guys in a few months is definitely WAY outside the range of typical

Not for a sexually active young adult, especially one not in a committed relationship. There are a ton of people out there who have had this many sexual partners and more. Would it be different if she was a male?

Also, where do you get that this happened over a few months? The OP never said that, you assumed it b/c she said 'short time'. Short time could mean a year. Even if 'a few months' is the case, as I said before, for a sexually active adult not in a committed relationship, that many partners isn't unusual.

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breakneckridge•

Fact: 50 guys in 1 whole year is WAY outside the typical range. Heck, 50 guys in a lifetime is still way outside the typical range.

Number of sexual partners in lifetime Median number of female sexual partners in lifetime, for men 25-44 years of age, 2002: 6.7 Percent of men 25-44 years of age who have had 15 or more female sexual partners, 2002: 29.2%

Median number of male sexual partners in lifetime, for women 25-44 years of age, 2002: 3.8 Percent of women 25-44 years of age who have had 15 or more male sexual partners, 2002: 11.4%

Source: CDC

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xb4r7x•

Not for a sexually active young adult, especially one not in a committed relationship. There are a ton of people out there who have had this many sexual partners and more. Would it be different if she was a male?

No... no there aren't. 50 people is something a guy might say drunk at a bar, when he really means 15.

People sleep around sometimes, yes... but 50 people!!. - I could have slept with every girl in my graduating (high school) class and not come close to that number.

Statistically, this is way high... for an entire lifetime, let alone a 'short period of time'.

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threethousandgt•

Maybe we just differ value-wise, but I think the guy is being irrational.

but if you've done it with a zillion other guys in a short amount of time, you've made it much less of a special thing

I completely disagree.

And he's gonna rightfully feel like if you needed 50 guys to satisfy you just 2 years ago, then how on earth are you going to be satisfied with just him now?

This is all conditional. You are assuming that she needs many different partners to be satisfied. It sounds like they've had a monogamous relationship of 11 months, and she is happy. She has no desire to be with anyone else.

which is very often an indicator of emotional problems

Why do you think this? They've been dating for 11 months without issue, so why should he be worried about emotional problems now?

And picturebarrel, I wouldn't suggest seeing a therapist for having sex with 50 people.

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but if you've done it with a zillion other guys in a short amount of time, you've made it much less of a special thing

I completely disagree.

He's referring to the probable viewpoint of the boyfriend

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breakneckridge•

"You are assuming that she needs many different partners to be satisfied. It sounds like they've had a monogamous relationship of 11 months, and she is happy. She has no desire to be with anyone else."

I'm not assuming anything. 11 months is absolutely nothing, it's not even 1 whole year, and 2 years ago is not much either, it's gonna take a lot longer to prove that she doesn't need other guys. 11 months have past, and what's changed? Did she go to therapy? Did she decide to take a few years to herself without messing around with guys to find out who she is? What solid evidence has she provided to give him a good reason to think that she's changed so dramatically?

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redreplicant•

Getting downmodded for an honest question, wow.

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Rhode•

Give me a fucking break dude, you're comparing sex to meth, heroin, and crack. What a joke.

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SarcasticGuy•

Girls want to be the guy's last. Guys want to be the girl's first.

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texas1985•

False. I've sworn an (ironically) blood oath never to be any girls first. No particularly keen on being anyones last either.

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cantquitreddit•

ok, vince

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DutchUncle•

Him saying that he's worried you will cheat on him is the polite way of saying that he's worried that you're not mentally stable. Someone else on this thread alluded to that when they asked you if your escapade was on account of significant depression.

Here's the deal. I've known guys who were really driven to sleep around; who were good looking and smooth with women. One guy worked as a bartender in what was at the time the most happening club in his city. He didn't manage 50 in a few months -- I think it took him a couple of years. What you did is just completely out of the ordinary for a woman, and so why is a legitimate question.

Add to the above these two more points. You characterize this as "a period in my life where I wanted to have some fun." That's not the way anyone else would characterize it.

  • I wanted to have some fun horseback riding, so I rode 50 horses in a few months
  • I went through a period when I just thought shoes were the bomb, so I bought 50 pairs of shoes in a few months
  • I just thought it would be fun to try different jobs, so I took 50 temp jobs in a few months
  • I have a ball club hopping, so I went to 50 different clubs in a few months

Any of these things are out of the ordinary, and would make one person wonder about another. What you've described is not "having some fun." It's strange behavior.

The second point is that you laid this all on him last night, and you're writing us today because for the last few hours he's been "really distant." Gee, what a superficial louse. He should just get over it already, huh?

You know what? You may be a very sweet person who just went through "a phase." Maybe you had some kind of parasite that affected your mentality or something. Who knows? But your boyfriend is now wondering if you're nuts.

"Get over it."

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snowKFH•

I wanted to get into upmodding, so I just upmodded this 50 times in a few months for "louse", tough love, and 200 doses of awesome.

  • I wanted to
  • get into bullets
  • so I used five
  • bullet points
  • in just a few months

I woulda done 50, but I don't think anyone would appreciate that.

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DutchUncle•

Exactly. 45 more, and people would start to wonder.

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snark42•

Here's the deal. I've known guys who were really driven to sleep around; who were good looking and smooth with women. One guy worked as a bartender in what was at the time the most happening club in his city. He didn't manage 50 in a few months -- I think it took him a couple of years.

He was doing it wrong, as a bartender in a college town I could have easily taken home a different girl almost any night I worked if I was driven too...

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DutchUncle•

It wasn't a college bar. Moreover, I'm not so sure -- no offense. Once you started fucking a few, you'd have at least some of them hanging onto your bar, incessantly. At some point you'd reach a saturation point to where they would seriously cramp your style.

If you don't believe me, that's fine. I don't know for sure. Perhaps there's an anthropologist on hand that could weigh in.

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elduderino01•

it's true. i use dto try to be poon hound myself, and my old roommate "mattro" was a god damned dynamo. the problem when you start banging a bunch of chicks is that you reach market saturation. eventually every chick in every bar you go to knows someone you slept with or has already slept with you. these things make are hinderances to "finding some strange".

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snark42•

Once you started fucking a few, you'd have at least some of them hanging onto your bar, incessantly.

There was of course the occassional one night stand and a few male sluts. If they were up front about what was going on it was mostly OK. Patrons (happened with males and females) who wouldn't leave them alone on another night after being asked to were generally escorted out by security and it wasn't an issue. This of course helped a lot but when the bar is usually 2-3 deep waiting for drinks we couldn't allow these folks to distract the bartenders. Interestingly enough (or not) dudes were way more likely to come back and not leave when asked. Without this policy who knows what would have happened.

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cujo3017•

What you're forgetting is that even an ugly woman can get laid every night, especially if she isn't picky. Think about that when you meet a nice looking female who isn't promiscuous. Most women hold back. A lot.

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masgrada•

"if I was driven too..."

Were you driven to?? No, probably not. That's because you were pretty straight in the head.

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blinkergoesleft•

"could have easily"

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cherry_pi•

50 clubs in a couple months? I accept your challenge!!! I'll just need a couple thousand dollar donation for the cover fees...

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eroind•

Where does this mental stability issue come from? Most of those examples make sense to me. I know people that are like that with shoes and clubs!

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Well, here's the problem with your logic. This might make sense if the guy had only slept with 3 or 4 girls his entire life. The hypocritical douchebag that is sadly her boyfriend (and yes, he's a douchebag) slept with 25. Did you not read this part of the scenario? Granted, it might be over a longer period, but that's still a lot of women. And yet somehow, he gets to question her mentally stability but not his own?

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DutchUncle•

I read the entire scenario. My point stands.

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One guy worked as a bartender in what was at the time the most happening club in his city. He didn't manage 50 in a few months -- I think it took him a couple of years. What you did is just completely out of the ordinary for a woman, and so why is a legitimate question.

Partly because what she did is so unusual for a woman, it also makes it much much easier for a woman to do. Most women are, for a variety of reasons, much more guarded than most men about having or initiating sex with a new partner. If a woman in a typical American city is not guarded or picky about it, and just wants to find some men for sex, she can get partners more easily and quickly than a man can.

So, "why is a legitimate question"? How about, because of all the social and cultural controls we impose on women's sexuality? All the training most women receive as children and teens to be wary of men? All of the criticism and negative social reinforcement heaped on women who do have a lot of sex partners - as evidenced in many of the comments here? I think this are sufficient reasons to explain why what she did is so "completely out of the ordinary for a woman".

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DutchUncle•

Yes, I agree. But, I'm just pointing out that for sheer numbers, she's outdone even your average male "player." It's just so out of the ordinary -- the number in the time frame -- and so unusual for a woman to do that it seems unlikely that it was just a whim.

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cos•

Huh? What does whether it was "just a whim" have to do with either my comment or the one I was replying to? Why should anyone care whether it was "just a whim" or not? How is that relevant? And whoever claimed it was "just a whim" in the first place?

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DutchUncle•

Hmmm. Maybe it can't be a whim. I think what I'm trying to say is that the OP is trying to pass off her actions as "What's the big deal?" I mean to day that there is no way that this isn't a big deal.

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MagicTarPitRide•

WHY WHY WHY would you tell him? No one wants to hear that about their partner. Also it is worse for guys to hear. I'm saying this as a graduate student in cognitive psychology. Seriously, guys process information much more visually. So when you told him, he had an instant mental picture, burned into his brain. Women process information more semantically, so him telling you 25 women activated a semantic network of concepts where you could link it to all the implications of what he said, and you could be much more rational about it. That is not how guys' brains work. Literally, he will activate visual regions of the brain while you will activate language areas. I hope this, in as lay terms as I could frame it, helps you understand why there is a difference in your and his reactions.

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SoysauceMafia•

This is completely right. Honesty is the best policy, but goddamn I don't want to hear that shit! My ex dropped a fairly high number for her age, like 14, and I still couldn't think straight for a whole week.

The best answer? "How many guys have you been with?"

"Enough"

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logic11•

How about this: You don't want to know the answer, don't ask the question. If you do, then be enough of a man to deal (and yes, I'm a hetero male).

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McDic•

Ugh. So so true. I personally know 3 of the guys a girl I'm close to has fucked. I also know she's fucked quite a few guys at college (from her own sharing). I know it shouldn't be such a stumbling block (it's a biological imperative to reproduce), but it's driving me really fucking batty.

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unoriginalusername•

In a row?

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[deleted]•

Try not to suck any dick on your way to the parking lot!

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3rdFunkyBot•

Hey you! Get back here!

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ScannerBrightly•

snowball

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Upmodded for funny.

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literal•

As opposed to 50 guys at the same time?

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[deleted]•

To quote the brilliant user Too_Far from 2X, I have this to add:

"It's OK for a woman to be sexual - it's just not OK for a woman to be an ounce more sexual or one iota less sexual than interested males want her to be at any given time.

This is why I have to laugh whenever I see guys here wondering why women aren't more sexually aggressive and complaining that they should be. It's also why I have to laugh whenever I see/hear guys accusing women of always saying they want one thing while actually wanting another."

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MeanMotherHubbard•

guys accusing women of always saying they want one thing while actually wanting another

Mmm, yeah. Bad timing for you I guess

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And next week there will be another study that says the exact opposite. :-P

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masgrada•

There's one thing having a romantic encounter with a person you've been talking to for a long (subjectively) period of time. There's another thing to have sex with 1 person every 2 days. If you really look at the difference, it should speak for itself. Still pretty funny, eh?

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kru5h•

I never really cared about past sex.

Some people do.

Evolutionarily, men wanted non-promiscuous women. No previous sex = the baby is mine. Obviously a man cannot tell how many sexual partners a woman has had by inspection, but anything that hints at promiscuity would cause some men to search for other mates.

Evolutionarily, the cost of raising another's child is huge. Men that fall into the 'provider' niche would be at an advantage to completely dismiss a promiscuous woman, even if she's desirable otherwise. Promiscuous men, on the other hand, don't really worry about who's fucking who because somebody else is going to be raising their baby anyway.

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cantquitreddit•

I disagree. A promiscuous woman would attract MORE male suitors in prehistoric times. Remember, men can fuck and leave.

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rogerssucks•

They can fuck off.

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It all makes sense now.

Edit: How does this work for women, though? What's the advantage of being promiscuous or monogamous?

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aaronblohowiak•

The best scenario for a woman is to have an alpha male's child for genetic success but to pairbond with a beta male for providing reasons. This explains the popularity of cuckoldry (about 30%.)

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This explains the popularity of cuckoldry (about 30%.)

[citation needed]

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immerc•

Recent studies say the cuckoldry rate is significantly lower (sub 5%) but even then that's pretty large.

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cujo3017•

I read somewhere that geneticists doing family trees aren't very surprised by "non paternity" events (not the spouses baby). Not real sure but I think it was about 15%. They would just leave that person out of the study and would never disclose fact.

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[deleted]•

This kind of stuff makes me not even want to play the game. :(

Edit: how does it explain cuckoldry though? The wife is only with with the beta male for providing reasons and cheats on him to have kids with the alpha male?

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aaronblohowiak•

Yes, exactly.

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tinyspacedancer•

It WOULDN'T be OK if a man were to sleep around with 50 women. I would react the EXACT same way your boyfriend is if I found this out about my boyfriend. Don't make something a gender issue when it clearly isn't... this is an issue of self-respect.

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gammerus•

agreed. I don't like players, and they will never get any respect from me.

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[deleted]•

love it.

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Yeah, but if you had slept with 25 men? Would you REALLY be upset for him sleeping with 50?

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grpatter•

Because guys are always honest with the number they put out there..? A 2:1 ratio when you get above say, 5-10, it really pushing it in my book. Maybe I just want someone who won't see an old fuck buddy every time we go to the gas station...

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tinyspacedancer•

If he had slept with 50 over "a short period of time".

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gammerus•

check and mate

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[deleted]•

These judgmental commenters are idiots.

  1. Are you going to cheat on him?
  2. Do you want to have 50 more?
  3. Did you pick up any STDs that you can now bequeath on him?
  4. Did you have a child with any of them?

If the answers to 1-4 are all no, you're in good shape, and you ought to talk him through that.

  1. Does he satisfy you?

If the answer to #5 is yes, you might (and I say might, because some people are prickly about this sort of thing) want to broach the subject and point out that not only do you have a decent sample size, of that entire sample size, he's the: Best, smartest, fastest, biggest, most able to satisfy, whatever.

Of course, if that's not true, that's more complex.

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unoriginalusername•

he's the: Best, smartest, fastest, biggest, most able to satisfy, whatever.

That sounds like blatant ego-stroking, and I wouldn't buy it, personally.

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thegreatuke•

Agreed. If I was upset over this scenario and someone said that to me it'd probably turn my disappointment/embarrassment/inadequacy feelings towards annoyed/pissed. Then again, it's all about context and delivery I suppose.

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Please. Your girlfriend says to you "look, I was with 50 guys in some phase I was in and I was looking for something, and I finally found it. It's you you're the $adjective and $adjective, and that's why I am with you and not any of those 50" and you're going to say it's ego stroking?

Assuming it's true, then you still don't want to be with her? Is she somehow damaged goods because she had sex? 1 guy 500 times or 50 guys 10 times apiece, if no STDs were transferred, what's the difference?

This wouldn't be a discussion if it were a guy.

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I'm sick of the assumption that "This wouldn't be a discussion if it were a guy." Like thegreatuke said, "50+ people in a short amount of time is questionable for anyone."

Stop your belief that everyone feels a double-standard applies to this situation. Just stop it.

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thegreatuke•

Firstly, I agree with you that, as I said, it depends on the context of delivery. In my attempt to empathize with his position, I assume that if he is upset over her telling him that she slept with over 50 guys in a short amount of time, that then using that tidbit of information to try and boost her boyfriend's confidence has a good chance of backfiring since anything that has to do with that topic will be associated with whatever negative feelings he's having. In his mind, saying "I slept with 50 guys but you're the best" might come out as "I'm a slut and now I'm with you" simply because he is upset over this.

This wouldn't be a discussion if it were a guy.

Please. 50+ people in a short amount of time is questionable for anyone. And the 1 guy 500 times vs. the 50 guys 10 seems like a poor comparison. If we choose to look at the STD side of things, even though she didn't get STDs, it's still a risk, and at 50+ it's a sought out risk, not an "it just happened". If someone hypothetically shot up with the same needle 500 times it's not nearly as stupid as going and bumming a new needle after every 10. However, he's apparently not upset about the STD risk, he's upset about the simple fact that she slept with 50+ guys. I presume it has nothing to do with damaged goods either. If he saw her as damaged goods I highly doubt he'd give a shit about her cheating on him; he'd leave. Instead, worrying about cheating is more of a shame/trust issue, so once again I go back to his problem apparently stemming from something along the lines of inadequacy or embarrassment.

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MeanMotherHubbard•

When a guy comes into my restaurant and orders the same meal 50 days in a row, I feel comfortable betting all the money in my pocket that on day 51 he will get the same thing.

When a guy orders 50 different meals on 50 days in a row, there is no fucking way I would bet one penny that on day 51 through infinity he will continue to pick the meal he ate on day 50.

Horny? Get a vibrator. Want to experience sex? get a fuckbuddy. Want to play reverse porcupine, that's fine, but don't expect me to think you suddenly now and for all of time will decide to pass on rogue dick.

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picturebarrelOP•

No, no, no, no & yes

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sclafani•

then despite what anyone says your in the right.

I remember listening to a savage love about something like this, i believe the guy called or wrote in and was kinda put off by the number of guys his girlfriend had been with.

The advice was to stop looking at it as a negative, and that past promiscuity does not mean anything about current faithfulness.

The idea was that she has seen good and bad lovers and knows what she wants sexually and that you are able to satisfy where the 50 other dudes could not (sexually or otherwise). Try this angle, give him time. I think an immediate shock is normal, but if he continues to hold this against you there is a problem.

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constipated_HELP•

It's not a matter of who's wrong and who's right. It's very easy to say rationally that he should have no problem, but there is the emotional aspect to consider.

This is obviously affecting him. Talking it over may or may not help.

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MeanMotherHubbard•

You are as naive as she is. Perception is often more important than reality. Who cares if she doesn't want 50 more? She might honestly believe it when she says he is the only one she wants, but she has given him a perception that she is a mattress. She has decided to behave in a non-conventional way, and should understand that not everyone wants to deal with that, or at the very least give him time to process. Some people still want virgins, some people still save themselves for a special person. It will take more than a 'get over it' to come to terms with that. You don't drop 50 dicks on a guy and expect him to act like you said 'nice weather'.

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finebushlane•

As someone who's had a lot of relationship experience, here's my take..

I personally don't have a problem with a woman with a lot of experience. However, this particular case isn't simply a woman with lots of experience, it's a woman who slept with 50 guys in a "short amount of time". Now, this seems to me like a few months. So 4 guys a week for 3 months.

Now by any standards that is a LOT of guys. If you are sleeping with that many dudes in such a short space of time you cannot possibly be picking the cream of the crop. There isn't enough time to be finding and meeting great guys and getting to know them, it's just a case of, "he's ok and not a complete douche: ill fuck him". ie: She clearly has/had very low standards. Also, when someone is fucking so many "low standard" guys, it generally indicates low self esteem. A classy girl with a lot of confidence wouldn't be fucking 4 guys a week, she would blow most of them off because she knows she can get a great guy and doesn't need the validation.

If I was her boyfriend, I would assume that our relationship is not special because she basically would be with any guy with two legs and a dick. No one wants to be with someone who has zero standards, because it generally indicates low self confidence and probably other mental issues.

Now, if she had said 50 partners in her lifetime it would be different.

Also, don't accuse me of double-standards, I would make the same debate if a dude told me he fucked 50 girls in a few months.

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mcescherwhat•

If I was her boyfriend, I would assume that our relationship is not special because she basically would be with any guy with two legs and a dick. No one wants to be with someone who has zero standards, because it generally indicates low self confidence and probably other mental issues.

But couldn't this be taken the opposite way? If she is a girl that could/would fuck relatively random guys, but she's not and hasn't for 11 months because she's chosen to be with you, couldn't that make you feel good about the fact that she preferred to be with you instead of with someone else or still single?

Just putting another perspective out there. Also,

two legs and a dick

You're assuming she didn't sleep with any paraplegics - they need love too!

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bluequail•

I think you have hit it right on the nose with the self esteem thing. Actually I think you were right on every thing, but especially the self esteem thing. Most of the gals that I have seen do that, where they are bouncing from guy to guy is usually coming out of a really bad relationship, and have listened to really bad things about themselves for long enough to believe them. So they are validating that they are still attractive to someone.

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anecdotal-evidence•

There isn't enough time to be finding and meeting great guys and getting to know them, it's just a case of, "he's ok and not a complete douche: ill fuck him". ie: She clearly has/had very low standards.

Maybe she met them on craigslist? And if it was just for sex, why bother getting to know them? How does this compare to a man who uses craigslist for such recreational sex hookups? Would you say that sort of man clearly has very low standards too?

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finebushlane•

Yes, I would say the same for a guy also. I don't have double standards on this issue.

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mrcassavetes•

I'm a pretty liberated guy and I know everyone has sex, but I'm on the same page with finebushlane. I'd really bother me as well and call into question the content of your character, because after that bombshell, you're not the same person in his eyes anymore. It sucks, and I think I might be able to get over it, but I feel where your boyfriend is coming from.

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I think the question is would you say that sort of man clearly has very low self-esteem?

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Am I the only guy who thinks that male promiscuity is nothing to celebrate? I look at my friends who fall into the manslut category and all I see is herpes. A little of the clap too, but mainly herpes.

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The difference between a man being a baller and a woman being a slut is irrelevent here. He's not trying to judge you he just doesn't want to be with a girl who's done that. Girls can make the same decision. It has nothing to do with what society has labelled you as, it has to do with what he feel comfortable with. I wouldn't be comfortable with that either, I find a girls sexual past to be a lot of baggage to carry. Whether that's right or wrong I don't know but it's how i feel and i wouldn't be surprised if it's how he feels. It's not a double standard in this case, he's not "labelling you a slut" he's just deciding whether he wants to be with someone who's made those decisions. The whole "I got my kicks out and am happy now with him" kind of makes it even worse, as if there was your fun sexual time, and now there's your time with him which is something different. I know that's not what you meant but it could be construed like that.

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I have more of a Winston Smith viewpoint on things like this. I don't really care about a woman's purity. In fact, I'd rather be with a girl that's actually experienced life instead of reserving herself because society thinks she should.

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[deleted]•

From the sounds of things, if he doesn't like the way you've lived your life, you won't have a problem finding someone who will. Life is too short to spend a big chunk of it with some self-righteous douchebag, though. If he can't get over it, I think you should move on.

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BenedictKenny•

Get a new boyfriend.

Unfortunately, many people accept arbitrary standards and can't think for themselves. Many others limit themselves in their exhibitions, and even further, limit their understanding and empathy only to those who will make similar choices to them.

No matter who you are, there are people who can identify with you. In cases such as yours, however, it might be a bit more difficult. This might mean finding someone who is able to think above the level of male moron and accept you for who you currently are. This might mean finding someone who has similar exhibitions, and can therefore easily empathize.

Have fun with Reddit's moral police. You've unleashed a plague onto the enlightened society.

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dsfargeg1•

Reddit is pretty conservative in a few respects. Sex, drugs, etc. I blame suburban upbringing.

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readergirl•

ah, but it's only really conservative when it comes to women having sex.

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dsfargeg1•

This is why I'm extremely suss of most of the "advice" posted in relationship_advice..

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Doughd54•

Well isn't that some PC bullshit

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1.) OP, I'm not entirely sure why you just edited your text to include that second paragraph. I just tried searching for "whore," got no results calling you that, and also "slut," and only found one that I thought was an accusation. I have two guesses: 1) you saw these words and assumed they applied to yourself without really hearing out what the individual had to say, or 2) you're making a fairly common--but superficial--defensive claim made by girls in a similar situation and you're reaching out for their support.

2.) It's not "OK" for "a man to sleep around with 50 women over a short period of time." You need to understand that a sample of men doesn't represent every individual man. I hope the fact that you thought this was true didn't pressure you into acting out that way (sleeping with 50 boys) in the first place... the sort of "well if he can do it, why can't I?" mentality. It's not healthy to go and do something just because you can do it.

3.) Again, you speak of a "[male] hive mind" as if one actually exists, and as if you know what it thinks. This is not the case. Individuals are individuals; each person has their own unique characteristics and thought processes.

If you continue to think a double-standard exists which applies to all men and women and you act on it in ways you think are appropriate, you'll probably find yourself in a rough situation.

That's all the advice I think I can give you. For me to do any more, I would have to be your boyfriend, because I feel that it's only fair to make these kinds of judgments on a case-by-case basis.

Take care.

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picturebarrelOP•

The Redditor, Rogersucks posted this an hour ago,

That's not even normal for men.

Yes.

You are a whore.

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I guess I forgot to include the lowest comments. But you can't let one (or a few) comments like that captivate your mind while there are literally dozens and dozens of other good comments offering sound advice. You need to focus on those offering logical arguments and constructive suggestions.

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Ignore Rogersucks.

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[deleted]•

Don't want to come off coarse, but she probably is. Any girl I knew that got around that much didn't really have much of a sense of self-worth and tried to validate herself through the lust of other men. It never helped.

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bluemostboth•

Isn't it possible that the OP just enjoys sex and, during that "short time," didn't want to have to commit to men for whatever reason? (Women like sex too, you know...)

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