Community reaction to the new Beast Unit banner
Posted Jan 9, 2019, 4:19 AM UTC
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I've gotten the impression people don't mind except for Tibarn's A. People want their Furries to be OP.
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Didn’t think I’d be typing this at all in my lifetime but here it goes:
The furries are eventually going to powercreep the lolis.
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The firsy loli furry unit will break the game.
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Hmm... the closest thing would be... Lyre? Would actually be hilarious for her to be a gamebreaker, after she was one of RD's worst units.
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Just ask Karla
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Lethe and Lyre seasonal alts from their childhood. 195 BST.
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Just wait until Nah comes in with gen 3 trainee BST next year
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People WANT their favorites to be OP. Then they veil their bias with but its canon blah blah blah. Theyre mad about fates being over represented and the same old FE fates is shit then turn a blind eye on how good and OP Jugdral heroes are.
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Fates got 2 banners in a month while this is the first Tellius banner in a year lol
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A lot of people do, but I just prefer my faves to be solid. If they're OP everyone and their mother uses them and then everyone jumps on the hate train.
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I'm kinda the opposite, honestly. I'm not surprised by Sturdy Impact because IS like the big number.
It's the 3 range flying singers that can keep up with other 3 range beasts that make me mad. Movement is the one thing that shouldn't be so heavily powercrept in a game that's played on such a small map... L!Azura at least had the limitation that she couldn't keep up with some of the allies she would dance.
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I think 3 movement FLYING dancers are far more OP and a bigger cause for concern. Hell, I'm also far more worried about the "Null No Counters" skill than Tibarn's A.
Tibarn's A is a skill that only matters if he can hit you first, and due to it being an A slot it's probably not going to end up on units like Surtr or Armour units who depend on Distant Counter. It's probably going to suck when people start slapping it on Rein and other Cav units though...
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I think legit if that A skill was Tibarn's exclusive people wouldn't be mad at all.
It's like the other guy said, fans want their furries to be OP and honestly if you take away that 3mov from beast dancers they're going straight into niche Shigure tier.
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If OP skills are exclusive they matter less. Honestly the only one I can think people complained about is Surtr (with his Menace)
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Sacae's Blessing says hello.
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I mean I think L!Azura is worse than the Heron Laguz. Giving the danced unit extra movement range is a bigger deal than the dancer themselves having the range (especially when Wings of Mercy is already part of the Dance meta and has been forever). Also L!Azura's weapon effect. You can just give her Earth Dance 3 Seal and she basically has a flat-out better version of Axura and YT!Olivia's prf. Don't even need to bother attempting to work out a team that Tactics skills will work on, they just get +5 to all stats once danced.
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Well, you're not wrong. Where's Ranulf though?
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I don’t care about these characters. Or this unit type. So, I’m gonna be mad.
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Same here. I don't get why powercreep is okay in some cases, but not in others.
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Popualrity
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That’s how the FE fanbase is. Quick to hate on Fates/Awakening, but will hold any other game to a higher standard until it becomes saturated with popularity as well.
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Wouldn't that be holding them to a lower standard? Since they pass more easily?
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To be honest, me neither but I think I'll settle for slightly salty.
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Tbh the thing I’m mad about is my least favorite artist continues to get my favorites. Go away.
I’ll have to wait and see how the skills/beast mechanics work out in practice before reacting accordingly. Like how everyone lost their shit at Hoarfrost Knife but it ended up doing nothing
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Well Tibarn is going to impact the meta because of how strong Sturdy Impact is
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The we can’t player phase meta?
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I’m sorry, could you rephrase? I don’t understand what you are saying
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Cant we just attack them first is what hes saying.
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His res is so bad, my ATiki will just one shot him. So just imagine what a good player phase mage will do to Tibarn. His defense is good, but he can't run his powercreeped skills and DC-Iote at the same time. So Tibarn has to choose between a powercreeped player phase and not-exploding-to-archers the moment he overextends with three movement.
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Wait, which artist?
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Yura
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You're looking at the name and not what's actually there if you're upset with those two's art lol
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Fun fact: That’s what least favorite artist means.
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Reyson is literally Navarre, and Leanne looks kinda weird. Wouldn't say it's bad, but if they were my favorites I think I'd be disappointed.
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I tihnk Leanne looks better than her RD form TBH. Reyson's honestly not too far off from his RD art. I guess that one just comes down to very subtle preferences in lighting/linework
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Today might be the day I uninstall the game. Already got tired of their bullshit halfway through 2018 and have bare played much. Never did get my Selena to +10.
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The only thing making me hold on is the fact that anniversary is very soon. If we don't hear anything about a skill refinery by then, and these skills are well and truly pure whale-bait... then I think that'll be it for me. Despite the progress I've made in the game, unchecked powercreep of this level, where it's less powercreep and more of a powersprint, is not going to lead to a healthy game climate...
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I'll take up the Selena torch for you friend.
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Tbh I have enough Selena's to +15 but i havent since i dont want to start running into +10 reinhardts lol
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Lol that wouldn't be fun. For me it wouldn't matter though because I quit arena like a year ago lol.
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r/FEH: Smashes the shit out of be mad
Me: Calmly presses be happy
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Me : calmly presses :do i even care anymore
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likewise
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I just want Panne godammit i haven't spent a single orb since october
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How blue are your orbs?
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very
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I have no chastity in my rolling so mine are shriveled and unplentiful :(
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Keep up the good fight brother/sister! Soon.
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1250 orbs and counting I'm spending them all on her
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I’m basically at that exact number too, same plan. Fingers crossed for us both!
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At the end of the day, some of my fav characters are getting a long awaited update in some form with new art and voices which makes me happy. The gameplay stuff comes second for me
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Normally, I'd be a bit upset, but I don't get the opportunity to be happy with something in this game very often so I'm pressing the right button.
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This is kind of the wrong mindset though in my opinon. I am assuming you like Tellius, therefore a banner of units from their games makes you happy?
Assuming that is correct, it is fine and all, but it is a somewhat selfish viewpoint to say "As long as the units I like are OP then it is alright."
So, if these were from another game, one you hadn't played, you would be complaining about it and saying it is bad etc?
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This is the first bone we’ve gotten in literally a year, I think we have the right to be happy. There’s no stopping the power creep anyways, may as well roll with it
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We call that Stockholm Syndrome
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So again, as long as the units you like get to be the overpowered ones, everything is good?
I love the Tellius games too. But I don't want to see THIS game get broken or unbalanced, for any character.
Powercreep is fine, it's going to happen, but this isn't a powercreep, it's a powersprint. Tibarns A skill is effectively Death Blow 3, Sturdy Blow 5 and an added effect all rolled into one. No other two skill buff is about +4/+4, totally of 8 points. This doubles that. And adds an extra effect.
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This is likely going to be along the lines of the Breath skills, a branched upgrade that adds an additional effect, likely limited in inheritance in this case to fliers and maybe infantry
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I'm not saying that the skills aren't broken and that IS shouldbe doing this. I'm just saying that my love for Tellius exceeds the how much I could be upset at IS for releasing these admittedly powercreeped skills, meaning that if I could only press one button, I'd be pressing the right button.
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Again. I get it. I love the Tellius games. But I just worry about them breaking this game by making a certain few characters way overpowered, or certain skills.
Going from an 8 stat point buff to 16 plus an added effect is more than a slow creep...
You also failed to answer. Say these unit stats/abilities were on characters from a different game. Would you be complaining?
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I'd be complaining regardless of whether or not they were on Tellius units. The reason you haven't been seeing me complain about the skills is because the meme above is literally choosing between being two binary things, and between the two, I happen to like Tellius more than dislike powercreep. Of course, in reality, the two viewpoints aren't mutually exclusive and one can espouse both of them (which I do).
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My happiness is directly proportional to how restrictive Tibarn's A slot's inheritance reqs are. Uninheritable? I'm super happy. Flying Beast-locked? Very happy. Flierlocked? Okay, I can deal. Non-Cavalry? Oof, but alright. Cavalry can get it? Oh no.
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You know if that was flier locked it would help with how fliers are generally seen as below average.
Ofc, premium 5* skill and all that but still. Particularly, fliers tend to be very physically frail in general (we have mostly kinshi/pegasus units) so the 10 Def to go with Def values ranging at about 25 would be nice.
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I would actually be relatively happy if it was even just melee-locked. Seeing it on any ranged hero is the stuff of nightmares.
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Why not both?
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At this point IntSys clearly doesn't give a fuck about Powercreep, so why should I? Im just happy some characters I like got into the game before the Powercreep reaches critical mass and kills the game
Alternatively, if Tibarn and Nailah cause the gane to die, this outcome is similarly fine
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I'm just happy it's a new banner with new heroes and no alts... plus it's back to two males and two females on the banner and a male additional (to make up for the fact that FE as a whole has more males waiting to get into the game than females).
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Honestly this is the correct reaction
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*slams the "Being happy for Beast Units" button so hard it explodes*
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Nailahs art alone gave me a reason to wake up
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I think that new A skill is definitely all kinds of nuts, but I'm also a little glad it's a nuts PP ability. The game has been entirely EP since Steady Breath, if not before that.
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You can also be happy for the units and mad at this powercreep fodder.
Aside from glare, they don't have anything locked to them being broken, Tibarn has a big condition on his weapon and Nailah has a weapon similar to the corrin, except the adaptive damage is replaced by a boost with condition.
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What're you talking about? We'll just press both
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I mean I would be happy if I didnt just spend all my orbs in the back to back seasonal units...
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No matter the powercreep...
I only use the Reinhardt.
Smiling Reinhardt.
INB4 Nailah has decent RES (Take that +SPD Windsweep Phantom SPD Reins!).
Nailah was the only one who's stats we didn't see, but judging by the fact that she doesn't have a skill that guarantees or prevents followups, she's probably got decent Spd, she's got DC and seems built for enemy phase, so she's probably got good Def/Res, and her weapon comes with Slaying/Wo Dao, and she has Moonbow, so her Atk is probably less impressive.
Her weapon is also an owltome that buffs atk/spd. So it isn't too difficult to keep +6 spd on her at all times.
I'm actually extremely amused at how strong Tibarn looks but how easily a classic unit shuts him down. The Reinhardt truly is the FEH ol' reliable. Granted, Tibarn's entirely PP so I'm sure a lot of PP units can do him in with initiative, but still.
After Surtr I'm glad Tibarn is really strong only in player hands, he's pretty much a sitting duck in enemy phase. We got the best of both worlds, he's stupid strong mirroring his performance in RD, but he's not cancer to the game like fucking Surtr.
Sturdy impact is kinda ridiculous though.
Just goes to show how ridiculous Brave Tomes were and still are.
Not because of Tibarn specifically. Like you said, he's almost entirely made to be a PP hero and he has awful res.
But the fact that Rein is still as relevant and OP as he is despite all this time? Brave Tomes remain the biggest balance mistake IS has made.
And look at how they’ve responded to that mistake. By not releasing another Brave Tome unit and likely never refining the only one that exists.
Meanwhile, Armor skills, Wrathful Dazzling Staff users, etc keep getting more and more powerful units.
We've had some skills that protect against that, Deflect skills and the like, but the problem is, IS keeps releasing skills that are extremely helpful but THEY NEVER PUT THEM IN THE 3-4 STAR POOL.
Why is Reinhardt such a menace? Hes in the 4 star pool. Hes easy to get when your summoning. IS never demotes anything and it stays in the 5 star pool where only whales or patient f2pers get.
In order for balance to actually happen, or for the next Reinhardt-reliable to happen, its gonna be in the fucking 3-4 pool.
Well to be fair, razzle dazzle finally took a hit with Nailah’s B skill.
So what you're saying is that we need a green and colourless Reinhardt?