Smile and SensioLabs: Being a former client of Smile, I'm concerned by this news.
smile.eu/en/sensiolabsPosted Jan 11, 2019, 3:09 PM UTC
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Once upon a time we had a contract with Smile. It did not go well, the final product was completely broken, going back to what they did in order to make it work, we were astonished by the amateurism in PHP development. I just hope this news does not mean that Smile engineers will be more involved in SensioLabs's products development.
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For me Smile is just one of IT consulting companies that is just big, but not with high quality engineers/project/whatever. Ok they're specialized in open source solution, but to me it's not that different of a Capgemini-like company.
They have a ton of money to burn, so...
Like mentionned in other comment, I fear it will lead to similar situation like RogueWave and Zend. I hope it will not turn Symfony ecosystem into a cash machine.
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I'd like to emphasize the fact that neither Symfony the framework nor Symfony the company are concerned by this: https://symfony.com/blog/a-business-model-for-symfony
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I always wondered how Symfony made money. Couldn't just they offer consulting solutions?
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How can you be concerned? It has synergy in the intro text! SYNERGY!!
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Interesting. Although it's not quite the same thing, I find myself thinking of RogueWave acquiring Zend Technologies.
Rogue Wave acquires, Oct 2015: http://www.zend.com/en/resources/news-and-events/newsroom/press/3683_rogue-wave-software-acquires-enterprise-php-leader-zend-acquisition-broadens-enterprise-strength-across-top-five-development-languages
Core Zend folks set to depart, Oct 2018: https://zsuraski.blogspot.com/2018/10/the-future-of-zend-engine-and-zend.html
I wonder if something similar will happen here.
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It looks like an interesting experiment. Two main components of Symfony choose different ways to secure the funding: Doctrine went to Patreon, and SensioLabs AKA Symfony Core sold itself to a larger company.
Patreon seems a more straight and honest way to me but it depends on the maturity of the community, whether there are enough people basing their business on Symfony (and therefore on Doctrine) willing to support it financially. I am going to talk to my colleagues in this regard.
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Doctrine is not part of Symfony?
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Well legally and even technically not. You can use Doctrine with any orm or no orm at all.
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the major difference is that Dotrine is not a company and has not employeed its developers. So you cannot really compare it.
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I'd like to emphasize the fact that neither Symfony the framework nor Symfony the company are concerned by this: https://symfony.com/blog/a-business-model-for-symfony
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I am going to talk to my colleagues in this regard.
I am interested to hear what you find out, if you are able to disclose it.
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I meant merely to talk them into a small joint support for Doctrine.
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I called it way back in 2015. Of course, the mods of r/PHP banned my original account and I can't find those posts anymore. Deleted? :-/
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I'd like to emphasize the fact that neither Symfony the framework nor Symfony the company are concerned by this: https://symfony.com/blog/a-business-model-for-symfony
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Aha.. so this is why most of their projects where moved from sensiolabs to symfony branding.
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Had a look around the Smile website, anyone able to figure out what the heck they do?
Never heard of them in my 15 years of programming.
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The merge concerne services around Symfony, Sensiolabs, and not the framework on its own. The framework is the property of Symfony SAS. Smile has a majority in Sensiolabs but a minority in Symfony SAS. So Symfony is safe and stay independent.
Smile and Sensiolabs have been working together for a long time.
Smile is present in 7 countries and is working on very big Symfony projets like the worlwide web platform of BeInSport.
But nothing is perfect sometimes it can happen bad team, bad feeling.
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I'd like to emphasize the fact that neither Symfony the framework nor Symfony the company are concerned by this: https://symfony.com/blog/a-business-model-for-symfony
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Yeah, and if they never had to deal with Smile, of course they won't. We were not concerned either before working with them. Their sales reps are very good, and they some how managed to make themselves look good from open-source tech company. We actually reported them to the main framework company what was involved in our project, and we were glady surprised that the company took it seriously and launched an investigation into Smile.
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alliance
market leaders
synergy
common vision
same values and ambitions
extensive in-house talent
It's written as if messenger of God Allmighty flew down from Heavens and graced us with the Word.
It's so full of bullshit noise, I want to puke with every sentence I force my brain to process.
I've never heard of Smile, I hope they don't fuck up with this.