No respect or recognition for Darshan on this sub
Anti Darshan fans pulling arguments and "facts" out the ass to scapegoat the team's subpar performance. As much as I like CLG as an org, at this rate I would be really happy if Darshan just straight up leaves CLG and proceeds to shit on them with another team. Just so I can see how members of this sub are going to interpret that.
Darshan has played so well for most of his career, even on the most unimpressive teams and he has never gotten credit or the respect he deserves. Name a single top laner that out performed him last split, and I'm talking IN GAME PERFORMANCE not some bullshit statistic or end game result.
Posted Jan 11, 2019, 9:00 PM UTC
Okay well...
What?
The guy is delusional. It's not just stats that back up the claim that he's been underperforming. You can watch and he doesn't pass the eye test either. But I highly doubt he's watched him.
Darshan is a cool guy. Very positive despite the fact that we circlejerk on this subreddit. But fact is he was one the most underperforming Tops last year. If you don't believe us, the motherfuckers who watched nearly all of his professional games in 2018, then go ask those other guys who've played against him in those games and even casted and analyzed his games. You know, the ones who get paid to do it.
He's absolutely been a wonderful member of the team. He's put out wonderful content while still being an active member of the league roster. I vividly remember being ecstatic when the video announcing him and Scarra joining was released. And it makes me sad that he hasn't been able to stay on top of the competitive curve that top lane has seen over the years. I think it's safe to say that a lot of people here have enjoyed having him as the teams top laner for awhile. But that doesn't negate the fact that a lot of other top laners outperform him across the board now, and if he doesn't improve (which he's had a lot of time to do) then maybe the team should look for someone else.
i agree til the last part, cause if you ask the best top laner in na lcs he will tell you that darshan is very good and he has learnt a lot from him, so at the end its all about opinions and results tbh.
Apparently, he or she is a law student, so the allergy to numbers is starting to make some sense.
Okay so I'm going to dispel this myth of statistics being the most important or the only indicator of a player's performance. This is a game that has snowball built into the heart of the mechanics of it and top laners are often left to play tanks as Darshan has throughout the split. When your team is hard feeding early on, by the time you reach the mid game, you're going to get busted down as the main front line for the team. Which is also hilarious considering Darshan outright won his lane or at worst, went even in losing match ups.
It's crazy to think people say Flame is 10x better than Darshan and then point to bs statistics like KDA to justify that but when you actually look at the difference between them, it's literally 0.7. Impact's KDA difference is even less at 0.6 and these are guys who are supposedly LCS SMURF GODS.
Okay. So you're saying that this game has snowball built into "the heart of the mechanics of it" but don't explain that any further. Yes, top lane has traditionally been left to tank play, but this year we've seen a pretty wide diversity of playstyles that are viable in top lane, not just CC heavy meatwalls that build full tank.
Okay. So why is it then they CLG doesn't refocus their playstyle to let Darshan carry from top lane? According to you he outright won the lane or at worst went even in losing matchups. I'll be generous and say out of all the 7 champions he played in the summer split (Cho'Gath, Kennen, Mundo, Gragas, Darius, Ornn, Aatrox), 3 of them (Kennen, Darius, Aatrox) can arguably fit the role of not being strictly tanks and can deal damage. He had 4 games total on those champs, 1 with Kennen, 1 with Darius (his best performance the entire split), and 2 with Aatrox, and they only won 2 of their games. So the argument that he could carry if he was placed on the right champions to do so and the ones he's placed on are just tanks that can't do anything once the other lanes die once or twice means that he will at best help the team to win 50% of the time. Looking at the final results of the last season, a 50% win rate would have been an improvement over our 7-11 record.
I mean no one has brought that up in this thread except you.
Okay you said earlier that stats were bullshit and that in game performance is the only thing that matters. You're completely forgetting/ignoring/missing that in game performance is directly responsible for statistics. How well one does in a game directly creates their own statistics. That's how that works.
And the fact that Flame's KDA is higher than Darshan's at all despite FlyQuest finishing 6-12 on the split, one spot below us goes to show that despite assumable similarly rough performances from his teammates, he managed to do better than Darshan. You pointing that out only makes the argument of Flame being better more sound.
Ok Flame is definitely better than Darshan, but let's not pretend that KDA matters that much. KDA very highly favors risk aversion for example, and at the point we start contextualizing why their KDA difference matters, we might as well pick better arguments than "his KDA is better". KDA reliant analysis has been considered the dead end of League statistics for a huge stretch of time, it's just not worth talking about.
I don't think it's a super valid statistic either, but I just used it based on OP's use of it.
"OKAY" I'm impressed that everything in this comment chain starts with ok.
When CLG prioritizes Darshan the weaker lanes lose hard. This forces CLG to deprioritize Darshan but the problem isn't that he falls heavily behind, the problem is the other lanes / jg don't get the leads they were responsible for getting or they outright get outplayed. Depending on the split there are also differences in meta. In some metas the top laners literally don't do shit all game but the outcome of the game is dependent on the better adc or mid/jg dynamic. Again you're looking at games won and lost without putting any of it into context. When / where was the turning point in those games? When did CLG start losing and why?
Its so easy to scapegoat players through stats without even looking at the causal factors for those stats. Poor stats doesn't mean bad player but bad player often times means poor stats. This whole idea of skill being directly responsible for stats is not universal. Supports die more and have worse kdas than other roles. Does that mean the majority of support players are shitters? No that is the nature of the role and / or meta. In the top lane if you're playing tanks but your team loses hard, you're going to get blown up when you try to frontline, engage or peel. Also top lane is an island, if your team loses map pressure you're basically getting hard fucked. That is the nature of the game / meta.
That whole Flame argument doesn't even make sense. First of all, I was referencing the rhetoric behind Flame and other players considered far superior without any justification and second of all to even go by statistics like KDA you need to look at it relative to the league and the teams. What place did CLG place? What's Flame's teammates KDA compared to Darshan? Even damage percentages are misleading because they suggest a player is hard carrying when really they're just being facilitated or another player is being depriotized / relegated to playing things that don't do damage but take damage / play a supportive role.
Lol so you just going to downvote me after taking the time to message you? You can disagree but if you're going to not offer any points then don't expect any more replies.
Dude holy shit. I'm not sitting at my computer 24/7 waiting for someone to reply to my shit so I can keep arguing. I'll respond when I have the time.