Meer Anuna, minder Bart.
Posted Jan 27, 2019, 1:56 PM UTC
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Wait, this isn’t considered agenda pushing?
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Agenda pushing is defined as users from outside of r/belgium who come here to push a certain political/ideological agenda, which doesn't seem to be the case here.
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There’s a double standard, clearly. This is an activist post.
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Shhhh, mods here just secretly follow their own rules.
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By that logic we than have to remove every post and comment that includes an opinion. A look at OP's profile doesn't suggest he's out to push a pro-climate march agenda.
There's no double standard, I just banned a new user who only posted pictures of the climate march for agenda pushing.
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Yeah which is why the rule is constantly criticized, because it's unclear and only relies on mod interpretation and bias
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I thought putting forward opinions in titles was limited to opinion pieces in MSM, while users are not supposed to give their opinion in titles.
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A picture of a protester holding a sign with a message you do not support is an activist post?
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Yes. If someone who was at the anti-Marrakesh protest would’ve posted a sign with ‘Driesje will make Belgium great again’ + putting the exact same slogan in the title it wouldn’t (rightfully) be tolerated.
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I had posts of mine on multiple subjects deleted because of "agenda pushing". Ive been a member for years, the rule does not make sense. Anything can be construed as agenda pushing.
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pictureofsign.jpg
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Anuna’s an idiot though
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There was someone else in remember who organised the first protest with anuna.
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Nice how some try to make this fake contradiction/fight between de 2 de wevers.
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Theres some pretty steep differences between the two.
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No one says they're actual family
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Me neither
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Meer Bruno! Minder Bart!
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Same coin, different sides. One panders to the right, the other to the left.
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Her solutions arent that great tho
Shouldn't be the teenager thinking up the solutions though. That's what Bart and his collegues are paid for.
More like that's what's the IPCC is for. IPCC is suggesting nuclear power. Only (Flemish) parties in Belgium that support nuclear power AFAIK are N-VA and VB.
Groen is ignoring the IPCC. You know... those scientists researching Climate Change for a living?
IPCC is NOT suggesting nuclear power, they only talk about what the most likely energy mix will be that complies with the 1.5°C pathways.
Here's what the IPCC actually says over that necessary electricity mix:
The International Energy Agency (IEA) has calculated these numbers per region. Here is a graph. As you can see, for the EU, nuclear capacity should increase by 3%. Wind and solar by 217 and 21% respectively, gas by 38% (with CCS).
Well, yes, in the long term they ofcourse don't want nuclear power. But, like they said in their last report:
Rapid changes aren't any good, look at the nuclear power quit of Germany. Using lignite now (HAHAHA). Quitting nuclear power before 2025 like promised is just a joke (ecological and economical).
To be clear. I never said we should only try to live on nuclear power. Ofcourse we should look for better options and invest in research. But it's our only hope for now.
Surpreme thorium reactor time
I really hope thorium gets somewhere. It could save us if it breaks trough. Also if we stop fucking fucking. (get it? Overpopulation?)
That doesn t invalidate any of Anuna s points. She in fact urged Schauvliege to listen to scientists.
I don t think this protest can be reduced to this or that party being for or against keeping our nuclear plants open beyond the term agreed upon. I think this way of simplifying the issue, of coopting it and harnessing it as ammo for party political/electoral strategy games is exactly what the truants are protesting.
It seems like there is a consensus that we are not doing enough but no agreement on what we should do more/instead. Personally I think saying 'I will listen to 300 of you and I will raise taxes on plane tickets' is a bit underwhelming but it sounds better to me than saying 'go back to school, become a corporate drone and trust them to create the innovative technology that will fix everything', which i think inspired this slogan.
No. Finding a workable solution to the problem of climate marches without clearly defined demands is the domain of politics, not that of research institutions and not that of teenagers. It's the politicians that need to find a way to keep living costs manageable, energy flowing and people happy. 'The people' only have to express satisfaction or dissatisfaction. More cannot and should not be expected from them, as they are not paid to dabble in politics and to read up on the science behind the problems. The climate problem is a politics problem. I feel that too often we let our politicians shove off their responsibilities to other people or other institutions. It's clearly they that have to present the country with a plan that's doable.
The institutions are researching the climate change, politicions should follow them. IPCC is suggesting an 8% increase in nuclear power in 2040. We shouldn't let politicians do our research, we should let them follow the scientists.
IPCC was made for this. We should listen to them.
But better than Bart's climate change denial.
Edit /s he clearly didn't deny it, however he did deny we have to do anything about it.
Where the fuck did he deny climate change? You guys sure are good in putting words in his mouth.
This is not a meme look away mods.
At least he is not turning a blind eye to nucleair energy...
I can understand his point of vieuw. We need to do everything we can to stop climate change while devolping countries ex india and factory giants ex china do the most pollution and do the least to stop it
India is a bad example.
Ow ok thanks for clarifieng